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Re: for those looking [mz6greyghost] by moocow1
Aug 12, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Aug 11, 2008 12:14 pm)

Wow, My sonata gets around 2150rpm at 70mph. I love the tall gearing because I think it's a nice factor in the good mpg on her.
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Mazda6 revs by jeffyscott
Aug 12, 2008 (1:25 pm)
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I checked today to get the correct figure, I was right on 2250 60 mph, so at the 70 mph that was being compared before, it would be 2625 rpm. This is for a 2007 Mazda6i with the 5 speed automatic.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [jeffyscott] by thegraduate
Aug 12, 2008 (2:16 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 12, 2008 1:25 pm)

Thanks... that's about identical to the 1998-2002 Accord 4-cyl with the 4-speed auto.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [thegraduate] by madpistol
Aug 12, 2008 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 12, 2008 2:16 pm)

I also did some checks on the Altima's 2.5L RPM's (2008 model w/ CVT). It's as follows:
 
60mph ~ 2000 RPM
65mph = 2050 RPM
70mph = 2200 RPM
75mph = 2350 RPM
80mph = 2500 RPM
 
The funny thing about those results is that until you get to around 65mph, the revs don't rise in a normal fashion. In fact, they're modulated based on speed; at around 25-30mph, the revs range from around 1000-1200 RPM, but around 60mph, the engine revs to almost exactly 2000 RPM. It would make sense on a normal automatic, but since the CVT modulates power differently, it's not exactly 28-29 mph per 1000 RPM.
 
Weird huh?
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Re: Mazda6 revs [madpistol] by akirby
Aug 13, 2008 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: madpistol (Aug 12, 2008 5:29 pm)

No more weird than flooring it and watch the tach stay at 4000 RPM while your speed increases. At least that's how Ford's CVT operated - not sure about Nissan's.
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Re: for those looking [backy] by captain2
Aug 13, 2008 (12:56 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 06, 2008 3:30 pm)

agree with you on this one. My wife's 03 Altima has a 20 gallon fuel tank and depending on the gas pump idiosyncrasies (your word) and my own patience the tank can take anywhere from 16 to 19 gallons to fill it up all from the same reported '0' distance to empty. Higher speed gas pumps aggravate the error, slowing down the fill rate lends itself to a bit more consistency. Until someone comes up with a way to minimize fill up variances like this - old fashioned hand mileage calcs. are pretty much worthless. Have found that computer FE numbers, OTH tend to be closer and certainly not subject to a 20-30% fillup volume (and therefore FE calculation) variance.
That said, I definitely will pay attention to fuel consumption increases reported by the trip computer and more likely dismiss the 'calculated' method - if I'm looking to further evaluate how well my car is running at any given time.
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rpms and gas tanks by jeffyscott
Aug 13, 2008 (1:08 pm)
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Apparently the Mazda6 manual transmission (in the outgoing model) just about drops the top gear compared to the automatic. I believe that someone had posted that their manual Mazda6 runs at 3400 rpm at 70 mph. Today I noted that at a steady 35 mph, I was at about 1800 rpm in 4th gear, so the auto would be at 3600 rpm in 4th at 70 mph. That is nearly the same rpm as the manual in 5th.
 
Regarding filling gas tanks, I think some cars have better "fillability" than others. This is one of those little things you find out after owning a car for a while. I have to say Mazda seems to have done a great job on this with the 6. Every time the pump clicks off, it is pretty close to as full as you can get it.
 
Most cars I have had would click off, then I set the pump on a lower rate and a fairly significant additional amount of gas goes in before it clicks off again. With my Mazda6 after it clicks off on the high settng, if I try it on a lower setting it clicks off again immediately and not much can be added by manually topping off either.
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Re: Mazda6 revs [akirby] by captain2
Aug 13, 2008 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 13, 2008 4:14 am)

actually what happens with a CVT is that the tranny is relying quite heavily on the computer's interpretation of driver intent - meaning how hard and how far you press the accelerator. The engine speed may 'set' at any level the computer deems necessary to provide what IT is estimating you want. The old Ford/Volvo CVT/DT 3.0 application (like in the 500) a really really poor application of this technology and one reason why Ford so quickly discontinued it. A DT 3.0 screaming at 4-5000 rpm or so trying to pull 2 tons around not a pleasant experience. The Nissan CVT OTH as well as the engines they are attached to - quite a different story. And yes it is 'weird' but is also extremely smooth because there are jerky upshifts or downshifts - I could well imagine, however, that the CVT could become objectionable especially when coupled to an unrefined engine.
The CVT is I would guess the tranny of the future in this (and other) classes, simply because it is mechanically simpler and offers less mechanical losses (better FE) than the conventional auto tranny. The driving experience may never be quite the same...
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Re: rpms and gas tanks [jeffyscott] by aviboy97
Aug 13, 2008 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Aug 13, 2008 1:08 pm)

That was me!
 
I own a 2005 Mazda5 4 cyl mtx and I spin 3,200 rpm's going 70 mph in 5th
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Re: Mazda6 revs [captain2] by akirby
Aug 14, 2008 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Aug 13, 2008 1:19 pm)

There was nothing objectionable about the 3.0L Duratec/CVT in the Freestyle loaner that I drove, even at 4000 RPM. Just the fact that the speed was changing while the engine RPM stayed constant.
 
Ford is going with dual clutch Powershift in their new small cars claiming 10% better economy over a 6 speed auto.
 
Other than Nissan - who is committing to CVTs?

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