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Buick Spy Photos on Car and Driver by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (7:44 am)
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Buick Lacrosse Replacement ?
 
The first 5 photos are the spy photos. The rest are concept-car photos.
 
Looks awfully bland to me!
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Re: for those looking [akirby] by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 11, 2008 7:42 am)

Considering the raw EPA numbers for my car were in the mid-40s, 37 isn't that abnormal. I've had 40 MPG on a couple of occasions.
 
Oh yeah, to answer your inquiry, my Garmin GPS has matched my odometer on 275 mile trips (I take the same trip every few weeks) to within a couple of miles, every time.
 
My average in suburban commuting in off-rush-hour times is 30 MPG here in Birmingham, AL. Right now, I wouldn't trade this car for anything.
 
I'm not alone with this type of highway mileage, either. Check out the Honda Accord MPG forum if you'd like, many people have gotten great highway mileage.
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Re: Buick Spy Photos on Car and Driver [thegraduate] by mz6greyghost
Aug 11, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 11, 2008 7:44 am)

What do you expect? It's a Buick...
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Re: Buick Spy Photos on Car and Driver [mz6greyghost] by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Aug 11, 2008 7:50 am)

Compared to the classy-looking (to me) Lucerne and the overystyled LaCrosse, it just seems so DUUULLLLLLLL.
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Re: for those looking [thegraduate] by akirby
Aug 11, 2008 (7:58 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 11, 2008 7:47 am)

What do you mean by "raw EPA numbers"?
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Re: for those looking [akirby] by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (8:08 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Aug 11, 2008 7:58 am)

The old EPA system (the one that rated my car at 24/34 and not at 21/31) was actually dumbed down significantly from what the EPA really achieved. I remember the highway number for my car was well into the forties. I can't find the table right now but will search for it for ya.
 
EDIT: Found it. The EPA numbers uncorrected for my 2006 Accord 2.4L 5AT are City: 27.0145 Hwy: 43.4831
 
See them yourself at the link I provide below. Click the year of vehicle you wish to see. You'll have to unzip a datafile into Excel to do it (really easy). Then just find your vehicle in the file. They are sorted by EPA class (2-seater, Subcompact, Compact, etc).
 
Link to FuelEconomy.gov Raw Numbers
 
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Altima MPG by plekto
Aug 11, 2008 (11:34 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Aug 11, 2008 8:08 am)

The 4 cylinder Altima with manual transmission can easily get 35mpg on the highway. With 18 useable gallons, give or take, that's 600+ miles.(23/32 with the new EPA ratings, 26/35 for 2007, old system) 2007-2008 reported average is 29-31mpg.
 
Why does it do so well?
 
3100lbs. Less weight and bloat, pure and simple. (It appears to have gained 100lbs though, since 2005/2006... odd...)
 
The V6 with automatic gets closer to 25mpg, just like the Honda/Toyota/GM/Ford/etc midsize sedans. The smart money is on the 4 though as it has 175HP(!) and is plenty easy to go quickly in given the fact that it weighs 500-800lbs less than the competition. Oh, and no premium fuel either.
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Re: Altima MPG [plekto] by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Aug 11, 2008 11:34 am)

Why does it do so well?
  
3000lbs. Less weight and bloat, pure and simple.
  
The V6 with automatic gets closer to 25mpg, just like the Honda/Toyota/GM/Ford/etc midsize sedans. The smart money is on the 4 though as it has 175HP(!) and is plenty easy to go quickly in given the fact that it weighs 500-800lbs less than the competition.

 
A base Altima 6MT weighs 3,112 according to Nissan's own website. Put a CVT in it and you are a shade under 3,200 lbs (3,189).
 
Altima 6MT Base: 3112
Camry 5MT Base: 3263
Accord 5MT LX: 3230
 
All weights are from the manufacturer's respective website, and reflect the least expensive model (and therefore equipped with the fewest options to add weight) that is currently available.
 
We're not talking a large difference in weight here; the difference in a small passenger. 800 lbs lighter? No way. A little research goes a long way. Where'd you get 500-800 lbs difference?
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Re: for those looking [bhmr59] by moocow1
Aug 11, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: bhmr59 (Aug 10, 2008 7:45 pm)

You obviously drive like 80+ mph on the highway Because I hit 425+ miles per tank with mostly city. Highway would definitely go over 500 without a sweat. My highway is over 30mpg for sure, which multiplied by a 17.7g tank would be over 500. Heck, I think I could probably pull off 550+ with highway only. Most midsize cars are around 3100-3500, depending on features. I think the weight difference might only count for 1-2mpg, still matters, but not a huge differentiator.
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Re: for those looking [moocow1] by thegraduate
Aug 11, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Aug 11, 2008 11:49 am)

In town, the weight difference matters a lot more than on the highway, i believe. It takes more effort (fuel) to get the extra mass moving from a stop than it does to KEEP that extra mass moving once underway.

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