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Top Ten Sellers for June by thegraduate
Jul 21, 2008 (5:51 am)
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For the month of June, as a brand, Honda was up 14%. GM was down 8%, Ford down 19%, Chrysler down 28%, Toyota down 12%, and Nissan down 7%.
 
As models, here is how the top ten stack up:
 
1 Honda Accord 39,697
  
2 Honda Civic 37,257
  
3 Toyota Corolla 36,205
  
4 Toyota Camry 35,939
  
5 Ford F-150 24,988
  
6 Chevrolet Silverado (1500) 24,799
  
7 Nissan Altima 23,208
  
8 Chevrolet Cobalt 20,888
  
9 Ford Focus 17,950
  
10 Hyundai Sonata 16,875
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Re: Question [akirby] by igozoomzoom
Jul 21, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 20, 2008 4:54 am)

I wonder if Ford's recent infatuation with all things turbocharged (EcoBoost) might even result in a light-pressure turbo 4-cylinder supplanting the V6 in the not-too-distant-future?
 
I have read about a possible Fusion GT (or SVT, SVO, or....) with a 300+ hp turbocharged engine, but it will be interesting to see if it comes to fruition in the current economic climate. I don't even want to imagine what the EPA ratings would be on such a beast!
 
I've also wondered if Ford has utilized the turbocharging experts that are, corporately speaking, already under the Ford umbrella- Volvo. They could take a car that weighed as much as a tank, had an old 2-valve 4-cylinder under the hood and the aerodynamics of the Hoover Dam and, with the addition of a turbocharger and a few other tweaks, they suddenly had a station wagon that seemed more fit for the Autobahn than car pool duty.
 
Sadly, they probably didn't even think to ask for Volvo's help....
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Re: Question [igozoomzoom] by thegraduate
Jul 21, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jul 21, 2008 6:51 am)

Sadly, they probably didn't even think to ask for Volvo's help....
 
It's not that... they just can't afford the long-distance call to Sweden.
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Re: Question [igozoomzoom] by akirby
Jul 21, 2008 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jul 21, 2008 6:51 am)

Given Mulally's mandate for global engineering and utilizing Ford resources everywhere I think it's a safe bet that Volvo engineers were/are involved if they have expertise to offer.
 
There are supposed to be 2.0L and 2.5L EcoBoost engines to replace/augment the V6 engines but they were scheduled later than the 3.5L. My guess is they're trying to pull those ahead and maybe working on a 1.6L EcoBoost also. Unfortunately Ford doesn't have a lot of resources left so they're having to pick and choose what to work on first.
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Re: Top Ten Sellers for June [thegraduate] by igozoomzoom
Jul 21, 2008 (7:15 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 21, 2008 5:51 am)

I'm a little surprised that the Accord outsold the Civic, though only by 2,440 cars. The sheer numbers are even more amazing because the Civic and Accord are the only vehicles in the top 10 that are NOT sold to fleets. I just wish the Civic wasn't so darn ugly! =)
 
I wonder if the number of Civics sold was limited by physical inventory available? They sold over 53,000 of them in May and exceeded everyone's (even their own) expectations and/or projections. So it stands to reason that dealer inventory can't possibly recover overnight (or in a week or two, even).
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Re: Top Ten Sellers for June [igozoomzoom] by thegraduate
Jul 21, 2008 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jul 21, 2008 7:15 am)

You can check out the link for more info, where they talk specifically a lot about your question.
 
June Sales Up For Honda
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Re: I want to hear the new Mazda 3.7L engine [madpistol] by baggs32
Jul 21, 2008 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: madpistol (Jul 20, 2008 3:31 pm)

So what is it exactly that makes you think the Taurus' exhaust was tuned for a sporty sound? It's not only the engine that makes the sound coming out of the taile pipe(s). Different headers, pipes, and/or mufflers can tune the sound a great deal either way.
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Re: I want to hear the new Mazda 3.7L engine [baggs32] by akirby
Jul 21, 2008 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: baggs32 (Jul 21, 2008 8:44 am)

I'm sure it was exactly the opposite - why would you want a large, quiet family sedan to have a throaty exhaust?
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Re: I want to hear the new Mazda 3.7L engine [akirby] by thegraduate
Jul 21, 2008 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 21, 2008 9:00 am)

Yep - the Taurus has a distinct exhaust note, but it is neither sporty nor intrustive. If I had to describe it, I'd call it a "smooth yet husky hum."
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Re: Top Ten Sellers for June [thegraduate] by jeffyscott
Jul 21, 2008 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 21, 2008 7:19 am)

Thanks for the article link, very interesting. in addition to small car sales being restricted by availability, the article seems to confirm the decline in the "only a V6 will do population", which was hypothisized by someone on here not too long ago .
 
Four-cylinder vehicles accounted for 40 percent of GM's June sales, compared with 22 percent a year ago...in vehicles offering both four- and six-cylinder engine options, the penetration of four-cylinder purchases has reached about 75 percent.

 
Fusion four-cylinders accounted for 70 percent of the model's sales in June, up 13 percentage points compared with a year ago. Similarly, the four-cylinder Escape is responsible for about 51 percent of the model's sales, about 13 percentage points higher than a year ago.

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