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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [maxamillion1] by jeffyscott
Jul 16, 2008 (4:56 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 15, 2008 4:31 pm)

When I moved to Chicago, I'd never seen so much snow in my life!
 
Well, anyone under the age of about 26, who has lived in Chicago for their entire life could say the same thing. They would probably actually have to be at least 30 years old to remember the last winter with as much snow (1981). To have driven in as much snow, a Chicagoan would have to be over about 42.
 
2007-08 had about double the average snowfall.
 
http://home.att.net/~chicago_climo/chisnow.gif
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Guys... by pat HOST
Jul 16, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Regarding some recent posts, let's leave the personal comments outside the door - please.
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Question by thegraduate
Jul 16, 2008 (7:12 am)
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Not trying to poke the bear here, but on what trims does the Mazda 6 come with ESC? Is it standard? I haven't read a lot about the new 6, other than the fact that it has the big 3.7L in it (unfortunate for economy). The 2.5 should be nice though!
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Re: Question [thegraduate] by mz6greyghost
Jul 16, 2008 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 16, 2008 7:12 am)

DSC (Dynamic Stability Control) is standard across the line.
 
I can understand the economy comment, but when Mazda went to redesign the 6 2+ years ago, fuel economy wasn't as big an issue as it is these days. Plus, I constantly exceed the current EPA numbers with the V6, and I don't see why I won't with the new 3.7L, all with more power and torque at my disposal.
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Re: Question [mz6greyghost] by thegraduate
Jul 16, 2008 (8:02 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jul 16, 2008 7:38 am)

I can understand the economy comment, but when Mazda went to redesign the 6 2+ years ago, fuel economy wasn't as big an issue as it is these days.
 
It wasn't an issue years before that with the Accord and Camry redesigns, but they seem to have paid attention to the possibilities. I'd say that fuel economy has been on the minds of buyers since gas topped $2, and has weighed heavily in purchasing decisions since Hurricane Katrina (Sept 05 at $3 a gallon). Oh well - what's done is done; I won't dwell on that topic for everyone's sake!
 
Plus, I constantly exceed the current EPA numbers with the V6, and I don't see why I won't with the new 3.7L, all with more power and torque at my disposal.
 
Just as you could probably do with any other car's EPA estimates. I beat the estimates in my 2.4L 4-cylinder sedan (and I'm talking the OLD estimates) by a solid 3 MPG, 6 MPG if you look at the new numbers of 21/31 vs 24/34 when I got the car. I also beat them in our old 2000 model 3.5L minivan. It's my driving style and speed that is the cause of it.
 
I'd bet, for example if you beat the Mazda's estimate by 10%, you could the Camry as well (or any other midsize model), since your driving style is (for the sake of keeping it simple I'll keep the wording simple) 10% better than the EPA's estimate. The only difference is that the starting number for the Camry is notably higher. The difference is still there, whether you beat EPA numbers or not.
 
Oh yeah, and thanks for the answer to my original question ; I hadn't read that bit of info - good for Mazda for making it standard now.
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Re: Question [thegraduate] by jeffyscott
Jul 16, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 16, 2008 8:02 am)

2009 Camry, I4 automatic is rated at 21/31, the 2009 Mazda6, I4 auto is rated at 21/30. Accord does not yet have 2009 numbers, but 2008 is 21/31.
 
So what is the issue with fuel economy for the Mazda6.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [jeffyscott] by maxamillion1
Jul 16, 2008 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 16, 2008 4:56 am)

Well I'm only 22, but I was warned by many of my friends about Chicago winters. I actually enjoyed the winter season there for the most part because we get much snow here in S. Carolina...but my car took a beating for it. The cold kinda caught me off guard too...We never have Sub zero temps in S. Carolina (excluding wind chill factor)
 
Anyone know when the embargo for the new 6 ends? I read on Autoblog (or was it leftlanenews) that it ends today...but I haven't seen any real online reviews for the car...just the normal initial press release style reviews.
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Re: Question [jeffyscott] by maxamillion1
Jul 16, 2008 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 16, 2008 9:13 am)

I'm thinking he's referring to the V6 Mazda6 models...they are rated at 17/25 I believe. But the I4, in automatic form is pretty much compeititve with everything else in this class.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [karpediem] by backy
Jul 16, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: karpediem (Jul 15, 2008 8:07 pm)

The SACs mitigate the need for a helmet. And I am trying to avoid needing a neck brace... active head restraints (found now on front seats of most mid-sizers) help a lot there, protecting against whiplash.
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Re: Question [thegraduate] by mz6greyghost
Jul 16, 2008 (9:56 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 16, 2008 8:02 am)

It wasn't an issue years before that with the Accord and Camry redesigns, but they seem to have paid attention to the possibilities. I'd say that fuel economy has been on the minds of buyers since gas topped $2, and has weighed heavily in purchasing decisions since Hurricane Katrina (Sept 05 at $3 a gallon). Oh well - what's done is done; I won't dwell on that topic for everyone's sake!
 
Neither will I, but I will say one thing then that's it. I tend to think that buyers of the V6 are aware of the fuel economy, but don't rank it very high on their lists in terms of importance as, per say, power and smoothness. I guess I fit into this category, since despite the rising costs of gasoline, it still won't change my preference of a V6 over a 4-cylinder.
 
The more economy-minded buyers will most likely not even consider the V6 anyway, and since just about all options are available to both the I (4-cylinder) and S (V6) models, they don't need to. Plus as stated previously, the 4-cylinder is very competitive in terms of fuel economy.

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