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any color, as long as it's black
by jeffyscott
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Jul 15, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 7:19 am)
No joke. I thought I remembered that from the brochure. I just checked, using edmunds "price with options" feature, and black is in fact the only color. They do show 2 options, though: Aluminum Kick Plates and Emergency Aid Package.
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- #10197 of 13322
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [maxamillion1]
by aviboy97
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Jul 15, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 13, 2008 5:32 pm)
Aviboy, any idea how the product mix for the new 6 will turn out? Which trim is projected to sell the best? I'm willing to bet its the Touring models.
Max, we believe that the i Touring model will be the most popular. We have ordered mostly Touring and GT models. We have ordered a few Sport's in there, mainly to use them as a price leader for advertisement purposes.
The SV trim is only available as a special order by getting special approval. Don't expect to see any. I really don't know why they even offer it.
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- #10198 of 13322
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [aviboy97]
by jeffyscott
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Jul 15, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 15, 2008 9:18 am)
I really don't know why they even offer it.
Probably the same reason Nissan has the base Altima, so they can advertise an MSRP of <$20K.
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- #10199 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy]
by karpediem
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Jul 15, 2008 (3:02 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 7:19 am)
Backy, I'm surprised you were able to reply to something concerning the Altima and not mention ESC....actually the majority of your posts include those 3 letters. IMO it makes no difference to me if a fwd car has ESC or VDC, and I have the possiblity of driving in snow 5 months out of the year.
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- #10200 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [karpediem]
by backy
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Jul 15, 2008 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: karpediem (Jul 15, 2008 3:02 pm)
Maybe I like that particular feature because the possible snow season where I live is about nine months--and it was nearly that last winter. Or maybe because I want my wife and 3 kids (two of whom drive now, one in a few years) to have every advantage when it comes to staying safe on the road. If you don't have others driving your car or don't care much about their safety, that's none of my business.
Just as it's none of your business how often I mention ESC. Or VSC. Or VSA. Or ESP. Or whatever it's called.
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- #10201 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy]
by maxamillion1
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Jul 15, 2008 (4:31 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 4:20 pm)
I can relate Backy...I spent a good chunk of last year living in Chicago while working on a driver assignment for my trucking company. My 05 Altima, which lacks ABS, SAB, SAC and ESC had a time dealing with the ice, snow and cold of Chicago winter. I vowed that when I did get another car it would have as many safety features that were available and that's why the current Altima isn't really on my list. Living in South Carolina I always wondered what was so great about remote engine start or stability contorl...I quickly realized how important both were once I moved into the midwest.
South Carolina winters are like early Chicago springs...LOL. A little snow here and there but nothing really significant. When I moved to Chicago, I'd never seen so much snow in my life! That's the primary reason the next 6, Accord and of course the Sonata are so high on my list because once I'm done with college (I'm going back in the Jan!!!) I'm moving back. I love the Chi.
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- #10202 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [maxamillion1]
by lilengineerboy
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Jul 15, 2008 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 15, 2008 4:31 pm)
I can relate Backy...I spent a good chunk of last year living in Chicago while working on a driver assignment for my trucking company. My 05 Altima, which lacks ABS, SAB, SAC and ESC had a time dealing with the ice, snow and cold of Chicago winter. I vowed that when I did get another car it would have as many safety features that were available and that's why the current Altima isn't really on my list. Living in South Carolina I always wondered what was so great about remote engine start or stability contorl...I quickly realized how important both were once I moved into the midwest.
Actually, I think your odds would have been much better with a $400 set of dedicated snow tires than $2000 worth of alphabet soup listed above. None of those buzzwords can violate laws of physics, and it all comes down to the coefficient of friction of 4 little contact patches the size of the palm of your hand. If the tires don't have contact with the road, all the electronics in the world aren't going to save you.
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- #10203 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [lilengineerboy]
by backy
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Jul 15, 2008 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 15, 2008 6:23 pm)
Yup, the snow tires are a good idea too. But snow tires don't help diddly if someone else who DOESN'T have snow tires (or maybe they do and they passed out at the wheel) rams my car. That's where some of that "alphabet soup" can come in reeeeeal handy. Or maybe there's a freak early or late season snowstorm (like the infamous Halloween blizzard of 1991, or the snows in my town late this past spring). Might be nice to have that soup then too.
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- #10204 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy]
by elroy5
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Jul 15, 2008 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 6:31 pm)
That's where some of that "alphabet soup" can come in reeeeeal handy. Or maybe there's a freak early or late season snowstorm (like the infamous Halloween blizzard of 1991, or the snows in my town late this past spring). Might be nice to have that soup then too.
Cambell's, mmm mmm good. Darn, now I'm hungry. 
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- #10205 of 13322
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy]
by lilengineerboy
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Jul 15, 2008 (6:45 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 6:31 pm)
Yup, the snow tires are a good idea too. But snow tires don't help diddly if someone else who DOESN'T have snow tires (or maybe they do and they passed out at the wheel) rams my car.
ESC/RSC/Stability control isn't going to do a lot for you if someone creams you. Having a good crumple zone and a structure designed to absorb the force before it reaches the occupant, whether active or passive, is nice to have. Oh yeah, and seat belts.
Or maybe there's a freak early or late season snowstorm (like the infamous Halloween blizzard of 1991, or the snows in my town late this past spring).
So if your chances of a collision are that much higher during a certain period, wouldn't it make sense just to sit and wait out that period? I am not saying its not helpful to have safety systems (both active and passive, both pre and post collision), but if my odds were that bad, I would try to keep the car in the garage.
Even with traction or stability or any of those active systems, physics doesn't discriminate between when you should expect snow or when you shouldn't, its all about friction.
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