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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by bhmr59
Jul 14, 2008 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm)

I wouldn't consider preferring the appearance of the exterior and/or interior as being "emotional", unless you were making a decision based solely on appearance. I also would not consider the preferring features of one car vs another as emotional.
 
To me, "emotion" is primarily driven by a concern of "what will others think of this brand?, or styling "only." In choosing a mid-size sedan, one has to consider the various pros & cons to see which car fits your needs best. Buying brand X over brand Y because of the badge is, I think, an emotional decision.
 
The '09 Sonata is not a new model subject to the possible bugs you fear in a new model. It is a refresh of the current generation introduced for the '06 model year in the spring of '05.
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Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 by maxamillion1
Jul 14, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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I was over at Nissannews.com, they have a listing of all changes for the Altima Sedan, Coupe and Hybrid.

· New standard features on Altima base model:
– Improved manual transmission operational feel
– New 16-inch wheel cover design
– Black grille highlights
– Dual power remote-controlled sideview mirrors
– Trip computer and outside temperature gauge
– Power door locks with auto speed-sensing door lock system
– Air conditioning with in-cabin microfilter and front side window demisters
– Trunk cancel switch and rear seat lock
– Dual sun visors with driver’s side vanity mirror
– Speed-sensitive variable intermittent windshield wipers
· Revised 2.5 S equipment (standard Xtronic CVT™, dual zone automatic temperature control)
· Revised 3.5 SE Sport Package content (Vehicle Dynamic Control, HID bi-xenon headlights), standalone Moonroof Package
· New stand-alone 3.5 SL Vehicle Dynamic Control Package
· Three new exterior colors: Sonoma Sunset, Majestic Blue and Sonoran Sand
  
The 2009 Nissan Altima Sedan is available in four models: 2.5 (6MT), 2.5 S (CVT), 3.5 SE (6MT, CVT), 3.5 SL (CVT). It goes on sale in August 2008.
  
  
2009 Nissan Altima Coupe
Introduced as an all-new design for 2008, the 2009 Altima Coupe receives just minor refinements for the new model year, including:
  
6-speed manual transmission refined for improved operational feel
New 16-inch wheel cover design
New standard 18-inch aluminum-alloy wheel design for Altima Coupe 3.5 SE model, along with standard 235/45R18 Michelin tires
New high-gloss grille finish (previously medium gloss)
New auto speed-sensing door locks
  
  
 
  
For 2009, Altima Coupe is available with a choice of the award-winning VQ-series 3.5-liter V6 rated at 270 horsepower or 175-horsepower 2.5-liter inline 4-cylinder engines, each offered with either a 6-speed manual transmission or Nissan’s advanced Xtronic CVT™ (Continuously Variable Transmission).
  
Also offered is a long list of user-friendly technology features – including standard Nissan Intelligent KeyÔ with Push Button Ignition, available Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, available advanced touch-screen navigation system with XM NavTraffic® with real-time traffic information (XM® subscription required, sold separately) and RearView Monitor.
  
The 2009 Altima Coupe is offered in two models: 2.5 S and 3.5 SE. It goes on sale in August 2008.
  
  
2009 Nissan Altima Hybrid
Introduced in 2007, the 2009 Altima Hybrid mates a refined version of Nissan’s QR25 2.5-liter 4-cylinder gasoline engine with an advanced electric drive motor/generator. Together they give Altima Hybrid a net power rating of 198 horsepower (148 kW). With its standard electronically controlled eCVT, the Altima Hybrid achieves an EPA estimated fuel economy of 35 mpg City and 33 mpg Highway and is rated as an Advanced Technology-Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV).
  
For 2009, enhancements to the Altima Hybrid include:
New auto speed-sensing door locks
· Four new exterior colors: Red Brick, Navy Blue, Sonoran Sand and Mystic Jade
  
The 2009 Altima Hybrid is offered in one model, with available Technology and Moonroof Packages. It goes on sale in August 2008.

 
Note the error on new colors for the regular sedan...they are indded Red Brick and Navy Blue not Sonoma Sunset and Majestic Blue (as they are already available)
 
Seems i spoke too soon about the 2.5BASE, backy, looks like it will become a more popular trim for those of us who like to row our own gears. the 2.5S is automatic only now too.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by explorerx4
Jul 14, 2008 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm)

i bought an '07 fusion awd. it seems to be a pretty good car and it was a great deal.
the gas mileage seems to be ok. went from about 29 with a focus 2.3 stick(over 42k) to about 22 in the fusion(less than 3k).
the fusion has more style than the sonata, although i think the wheels on the sonata look great.
i'd like to leave my emotions out of the decision, but i can't. you have to pick the car that will be the best one to own for you.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [maxamillion1] by backy
Jul 14, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 14, 2008 4:03 pm)

Did I read that list of new features for the base Altima right? Is it only getting power mirrors, a/c, and a driver's side vanity mirror (not lighted apparently) for 2009? If so... Nissan didn't sell too many base Altimas before now, did they?
 
I didn't see ESC (or whatever Nissan calls it) on the list for the I4. But then there's the new wheel covers and grille.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy] by maxamillion1
Jul 14, 2008 (7:08 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 5:59 pm)

Naw, the 2.5BASE has never been a big seller. It wasn't a big seller for the previous generation Altima either. Neither was the "XE" Altima from generations One and Two. The trim was basically Nissan's "Altima starts below 19K" trim level...but that looks to be changing for 2009. I still don't think it will sell in high volume (as its 6MT only still) but sales should pick up slightly.
 
What's interesting is that the 2.5S (which is the volume seller) is CVT only now and has automatic climate control standard...a feature that was once only available on the 2.5S with SL pkg, 3.5Sl or 3.5SE with Premium pkg. So now the SL pkg may very well include the CD6 and XM radio instead of making folks pay for this feature in the Connection pkg.
 
I also see that the VDC is now grouped with the Sports pkg (since the Moonroof is a stand-alone option now) so basically since Nissan has pkgs that are cumulative models with the Sports pkg and up will have VDC but I4 models will not.
 
Looks like we won't see VDC available on the Altima until it gets a full facelift (next year for MY2010) or a full redesign...which accurately matches up with when it will be mandatory...in 2012.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [backy] by jeffyscott
Jul 15, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 5:59 pm)

I think the base model was a fictional character that was created so that they could advertise a price of $19,900. IIRC, it was by order only, no dealers could stock them. I think it also only came in black with no options available.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [jeffyscott] by backy
Jul 15, 2008 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 15, 2008 7:04 am)

That part about black only was a joke, right? Well, if not... it worked for Henry, didn't it?
 
Fortunately not too many mid-sizers have these stripped trims that don't exist in normal space, and that no one would want. Base Accord, Aura, Camry, Fulan, Malibu, Passat, Sonata... all pretty well equipped.
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any color, as long as it's black by jeffyscott
Jul 15, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 15, 2008 7:19 am)

No joke. I thought I remembered that from the brochure. I just checked, using edmunds "price with options" feature, and black is in fact the only color. They do show 2 options, though: Aluminum Kick Plates and Emergency Aid Package.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [maxamillion1] by aviboy97
Jul 15, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 13, 2008 5:32 pm)

Aviboy, any idea how the product mix for the new 6 will turn out? Which trim is projected to sell the best? I'm willing to bet its the Touring models.
 
Max, we believe that the i Touring model will be the most popular. We have ordered mostly Touring and GT models. We have ordered a few Sport's in there, mainly to use them as a price leader for advertisement purposes.
 
The SV trim is only available as a special order by getting special approval. Don't expect to see any. I really don't know why they even offer it.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [aviboy97] by jeffyscott
Jul 15, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 15, 2008 9:18 am)

I really don't know why they even offer it.
 
Probably the same reason Nissan has the base Altima, so they can advertise an MSRP of <$20K.

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