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Re: [maxamillion1] by elroy5
Jul 14, 2008 (1:07 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 14, 2008 12:52 pm)

And isn't stability control about to be mandatory for all cars next year? If so all cars will end up with it by this time next year.
 
2012.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [backy] by mtnman1
Jul 14, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 10:13 am)

There are emotions at play here. I kind of like the Fusion's interior and exterior slightly better. I felt the engine power was about equal. It had the upgraded stereo which I felt sounded better, the leather felt like it was a bit better quality, and I like the Sync feature. Like you said it should be a no brainer if it has a better warranty and a more secure vehicle because of ESC. I don't know backy for me it's always been more than just numbers and even facts about a vehicle. I'm 52 and I've made some good decisions and bad decisions in my car purchases. I remember when I was 21 I bought a used Fiat X19 two seat car because I just had to have it because it was so cool to me to drive. I sold a beautifully maintained 1970 Pontiac Firebird that my dad gave me when I graduated from High School in 1974. It was my Dad's car and I was going to Penn State at the time and my Dad was pretty upset when he found out I sold the car to buy the Fiat. I owned it for 9 months, 7 of which were spent sitting at a Fiat Dealers repair shop. I'm going to have to go back and drive the cars some more and Ford will allow me to take one home overnight. As I've gotten older I try to keep my emotions out of the decision making process, but it's tough.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by backy
Jul 14, 2008 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm)

So in fact it's not equal in your mind between the two cars. In the Fusion's favor are interior, exterior, stereo, leather feel, and Sync. For the Sonata it's ESC and warranty. Now that we have a better picture of what you think about the two cars, I can see why it's a difficult decision.
 
At the end of the day, you need to decide which car you'll like driving most over the next few years, which one will be most livable for you and yours over that time. Will the spiffier looks and electronics of the Fusion make you happier long-term, or will the extra peace of mind from things like more safety features and longer warranty make you happier? I'm more on the safety/security side myself, but I know electronics are a big deal for many buyers. And as long as I can live with the looks of a car long-term, that is enough for me unless everything else is equal except styling.
 
Have you considered waiting for the 2009 Fusion? Then you could have ESC plus everything else it offers that you like. And there's always extended warranties if you really want a long warranty.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [backy] by mtnman1
Jul 14, 2008 (1:50 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 1:39 pm)

Have you considered waiting for the 2009 Fusion? Then you could have ESC plus everything else it offers that you like. And there's always extended warranties if you really want a long warranty.
 
Yes I have and that's one of the options I'm considering. The one thing that concerns me about the Sonata is that it's in it's first year of the re-design. I know in the second year they get the little bugs out that seem to develop in the first year. I do have to buy a car sometime next spring or summer because I want to give my youngest Son my 03. Otherwise we will have to drive him and pick him up from school everyday on top of running him back and forth from the sports he participates in. He will be a High School Junior in 2009 and our school district does not have buses for Juniors and Seniors.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by backy
Jul 14, 2008 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm)

The one thing that concerns me about the Sonata is that it's in it's first year of the re-design.
 
Yeah, I suppose those new dash vents might break. Seriously, it's still the same engines as debuted almost four years ago, but with improvements. The 5AT in the I4 isn't new; it was used earlier in the Optima et. al. But I think you are aiming at the V6, so that is a carryover but with some tweaks for more power. The suspension from all accounts is improved from the 2006-8 Sonatas. Those cars have an excellent reliability track record per CR etc. The basic platform, body, and most electronics are carry-over. Not a lot of new moving parts there.
 
If you want an excuse not to buy a 2009 Sonata and get the Fusion, I could think of lots better reasons than that.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by tedebear
Jul 14, 2008 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm)

I don't suppose you'd want to test drive the 3.5L Sebring, right? You'd have the leather, ESP, 6-speed autostick, lifetime powertrain warranty, MyGIG and a whole lot more.
 
I test drove a Fusion before I bought my Sebring last fall. Been very happy with it for 10 months thus far.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by bhmr59
Jul 14, 2008 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm)

I wouldn't consider preferring the appearance of the exterior and/or interior as being "emotional", unless you were making a decision based solely on appearance. I also would not consider the preferring features of one car vs another as emotional.
 
To me, "emotion" is primarily driven by a concern of "what will others think of this brand?, or styling "only." In choosing a mid-size sedan, one has to consider the various pros & cons to see which car fits your needs best. Buying brand X over brand Y because of the badge is, I think, an emotional decision.
 
The '09 Sonata is not a new model subject to the possible bugs you fear in a new model. It is a refresh of the current generation introduced for the '06 model year in the spring of '05.
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Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 by maxamillion1
Jul 14, 2008 (4:03 pm)
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I was over at Nissannews.com, they have a listing of all changes for the Altima Sedan, Coupe and Hybrid.

· New standard features on Altima base model:
– Improved manual transmission operational feel
– New 16-inch wheel cover design
– Black grille highlights
– Dual power remote-controlled sideview mirrors
– Trip computer and outside temperature gauge
– Power door locks with auto speed-sensing door lock system
– Air conditioning with in-cabin microfilter and front side window demisters
– Trunk cancel switch and rear seat lock
– Dual sun visors with driver’s side vanity mirror
– Speed-sensitive variable intermittent windshield wipers
· Revised 2.5 S equipment (standard Xtronic CVT™, dual zone automatic temperature control)
· Revised 3.5 SE Sport Package content (Vehicle Dynamic Control, HID bi-xenon headlights), standalone Moonroof Package
· New stand-alone 3.5 SL Vehicle Dynamic Control Package
· Three new exterior colors: Sonoma Sunset, Majestic Blue and Sonoran Sand
  
The 2009 Nissan Altima Sedan is available in four models: 2.5 (6MT), 2.5 S (CVT), 3.5 SE (6MT, CVT), 3.5 SL (CVT). It goes on sale in August 2008.
  
  
2009 Nissan Altima Coupe
Introduced as an all-new design for 2008, the 2009 Altima Coupe receives just minor refinements for the new model year, including:
  
6-speed manual transmission refined for improved operational feel
New 16-inch wheel cover design
New standard 18-inch aluminum-alloy wheel design for Altima Coupe 3.5 SE model, along with standard 235/45R18 Michelin tires
New high-gloss grille finish (previously medium gloss)
New auto speed-sensing door locks
  
  
 
  
For 2009, Altima Coupe is available with a choice of the award-winning VQ-series 3.5-liter V6 rated at 270 horsepower or 175-horsepower 2.5-liter inline 4-cylinder engines, each offered with either a 6-speed manual transmission or Nissan’s advanced Xtronic CVT™ (Continuously Variable Transmission).
  
Also offered is a long list of user-friendly technology features – including standard Nissan Intelligent KeyÔ with Push Button Ignition, available Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, available advanced touch-screen navigation system with XM NavTraffic® with real-time traffic information (XM® subscription required, sold separately) and RearView Monitor.
  
The 2009 Altima Coupe is offered in two models: 2.5 S and 3.5 SE. It goes on sale in August 2008.
  
  
2009 Nissan Altima Hybrid
Introduced in 2007, the 2009 Altima Hybrid mates a refined version of Nissan’s QR25 2.5-liter 4-cylinder gasoline engine with an advanced electric drive motor/generator. Together they give Altima Hybrid a net power rating of 198 horsepower (148 kW). With its standard electronically controlled eCVT, the Altima Hybrid achieves an EPA estimated fuel economy of 35 mpg City and 33 mpg Highway and is rated as an Advanced Technology-Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle (AT-PZEV).
  
For 2009, enhancements to the Altima Hybrid include:
New auto speed-sensing door locks
· Four new exterior colors: Red Brick, Navy Blue, Sonoran Sand and Mystic Jade
  
The 2009 Altima Hybrid is offered in one model, with available Technology and Moonroof Packages. It goes on sale in August 2008.

 
Note the error on new colors for the regular sedan...they are indded Red Brick and Navy Blue not Sonoma Sunset and Majestic Blue (as they are already available)
 
Seems i spoke too soon about the 2.5BASE, backy, looks like it will become a more popular trim for those of us who like to row our own gears. the 2.5S is automatic only now too.
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Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by explorerx4
Jul 14, 2008 (5:08 pm)
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Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm)

i bought an '07 fusion awd. it seems to be a pretty good car and it was a great deal.
the gas mileage seems to be ok. went from about 29 with a focus 2.3 stick(over 42k) to about 22 in the fusion(less than 3k).
the fusion has more style than the sonata, although i think the wheels on the sonata look great.
i'd like to leave my emotions out of the decision, but i can't. you have to pick the car that will be the best one to own for you.
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Re: Nissan Altima gets slightly revised for 2009 [maxamillion1] by backy
Jul 14, 2008 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 14, 2008 4:03 pm)

Did I read that list of new features for the base Altima right? Is it only getting power mirrors, a/c, and a driver's side vanity mirror (not lighted apparently) for 2009? If so... Nissan didn't sell too many base Altimas before now, did they?
 
I didn't see ESC (or whatever Nissan calls it) on the list for the I4. But then there's the new wheel covers and grille.

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