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#10180 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [backy] by mz3s Jul 14, 2008 (11:17 am)
Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 10:13 am) Because the man has emotions, that's why. You shouldn't buy a car on paper merit alone, although a lot of people feel you should. Maybe he likes the font on the gauges or the sound of the e-brake better on one car moreso than another. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 14, 2008 11:38 am)
#10181 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mz3s] by backy Jul 14, 2008 (11:38 am)
Replying to: mz3s (Jul 14, 2008 11:17 am) Well, he said he likes (implies emotion) both cars equally well. I was taking him at his word. But if the decision is difficult, it's clear that there are other factors at work here.   Personally, I'd take ESC and a longer warranty (and better FE and more power and a more ergonomic control layout and...) over a nicer gauge font, but that's me.
#10182 of 13270 by maxamillion1 Jul 14, 2008 (12:52 pm)
I think the Fusion gets adjusting rear headrest for 2010 when the car gets facelifted. I saw a set of spy pics that show off the new rear end and you can clearly see that the headrest are adjusted.   And isn't stability control about to be mandatory for all cars next year? If so all cars will end up with it by this time next year. Replies to this message: elroy5 (Jul 14, 2008 1:07 pm)
#10183 of 13270 Re: [maxamillion1] by elroy5 Jul 14, 2008 (1:07 pm)
Replying to: maxamillion1 (Jul 14, 2008 12:52 pm) And isn't stability control about to be mandatory for all cars next year? If so all cars will end up with it by this time next year.   2012.
#10184 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [backy] by mtnman1 Jul 14, 2008 (1:30 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 10:13 am) There are emotions at play here. I kind of like the Fusion's interior and exterior slightly better. I felt the engine power was about equal. It had the upgraded stereo which I felt sounded better, the leather felt like it was a bit better quality, and I like the Sync feature. Like you said it should be a no brainer if it has a better warranty and a more secure vehicle because of ESC. I don't know backy for me it's always been more than just numbers and even facts about a vehicle. I'm 52 and I've made some good decisions and bad decisions in my car purchases. I remember when I was 21 I bought a used Fiat X19 two seat car because I just had to have it because it was so cool to me to drive. I sold a beautifully maintained 1970 Pontiac Firebird that my dad gave me when I graduated from High School in 1974. It was my Dad's car and I was going to Penn State at the time and my Dad was pretty upset when he found out I sold the car to buy the Fiat. I owned it for 9 months, 7 of which were spent sitting at a Fiat Dealers repair shop. I'm going to have to go back and drive the cars some more and Ford will allow me to take one home overnight. As I've gotten older I try to keep my emotions out of the decision making process, but it's tough. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 14, 2008 1:39 pm) mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm) backy (Jul 14, 2008 2:46 pm) tedebear (Jul 14, 2008 2:59 pm) bhmr59 (Jul 14, 2008 2:59 pm) explorerx4 (Jul 14, 2008 5:08 pm)
#10185 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by backy Jul 14, 2008 (1:39 pm)
Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm) So in fact it's not equal in your mind between the two cars. In the Fusion's favor are interior, exterior, stereo, leather feel, and Sync. For the Sonata it's ESC and warranty. Now that we have a better picture of what you think about the two cars, I can see why it's a difficult decision.   At the end of the day, you need to decide which car you'll like driving most over the next few years, which one will be most livable for you and yours over that time. Will the spiffier looks and electronics of the Fusion make you happier long-term, or will the extra peace of mind from things like more safety features and longer warranty make you happier? I'm more on the safety/security side myself, but I know electronics are a big deal for many buyers. And as long as I can live with the looks of a car long-term, that is enough for me unless everything else is equal except styling.   Have you considered waiting for the 2009 Fusion? Then you could have ESC plus everything else it offers that you like. And there's always extended warranties if you really want a long warranty. Replies to this message: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm) backy (Jul 14, 2008 2:46 pm) tedebear (Jul 14, 2008 2:59 pm)
#10186 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [backy] by mtnman1 Jul 14, 2008 (1:50 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jul 14, 2008 1:39 pm) Have you considered waiting for the 2009 Fusion? Then you could have ESC plus everything else it offers that you like. And there's always extended warranties if you really want a long warranty.   Yes I have and that's one of the options I'm considering. The one thing that concerns me about the Sonata is that it's in it's first year of the re-design. I know in the second year they get the little bugs out that seem to develop in the first year. I do have to buy a car sometime next spring or summer because I want to give my youngest Son my 03. Otherwise we will have to drive him and pick him up from school everyday on top of running him back and forth from the sports he participates in. He will be a High School Junior in 2009 and our school district does not have buses for Juniors and Seniors. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 14, 2008 2:46 pm) tedebear (Jul 14, 2008 2:59 pm)
#10187 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by backy Jul 14, 2008 (2:46 pm)
Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm) The one thing that concerns me about the Sonata is that it's in it's first year of the re-design.   Yeah, I suppose those new dash vents might break. Seriously, it's still the same engines as debuted almost four years ago, but with improvements. The 5AT in the I4 isn't new; it was used earlier in the Optima et. al. But I think you are aiming at the V6, so that is a carryover but with some tweaks for more power. The suspension from all accounts is improved from the 2006-8 Sonatas. Those cars have an excellent reliability track record per CR etc. The basic platform, body, and most electronics are carry-over. Not a lot of new moving parts there.   If you want an excuse not to buy a 2009 Sonata and get the Fusion, I could think of lots better reasons than that.
#10188 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by tedebear Jul 14, 2008 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:50 pm) I don't suppose you'd want to test drive the 3.5L Sebring, right? You'd have the leather, ESP, 6-speed autostick, lifetime powertrain warranty, MyGIG and a whole lot more.   I test drove a Fusion before I bought my Sebring last fall. Been very happy with it for 10 months thus far.
#10189 of 13270 Re: 2009 Mazda6 pricing [mtnman1] by bhmr59 Jul 14, 2008 (2:59 pm)
Replying to: mtnman1 (Jul 14, 2008 1:30 pm) I wouldn't consider preferring the appearance of the exterior and/or interior as being "emotional", unless you were making a decision based solely on appearance. I also would not consider the preferring features of one car vs another as emotional.   To me, "emotion" is primarily driven by a concern of "what will others think of this brand?, or styling "only." In choosing a mid-size sedan, one has to consider the various pros & cons to see which car fits your needs best. Buying brand X over brand Y because of the badge is, I think, an emotional decision.   The '09 Sonata is not a new model subject to the possible bugs you fear in a new model. It is a refresh of the current generation introduced for the '06 model year in the spring of '05.

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