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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [jeffyscott] by thegraduate
Jul 09, 2008 (4:44 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2008 4:37 am)

There are only minor differences after all. Both have a CVT. One just happens to have 168 more horses than the other. Other than that they might as well be the same, right?
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [jeffyscott] by fushigi
Jul 09, 2008 (4:59 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2008 4:37 am)

"I'm pointing out the silliness (IMO) of using EPAs classifications."
 
What other classification systems exist that you would recommend? Only classifications from a regulatory entity or standards body should apply, as individual standards - such as what you're trying to impose on the forum - would never be widely accepted. Also, as this is predominantly a US-based forum, the standards organization should be US-based, i.e. EU standards wouldn't be applicable.
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [fushigi] by m6user
Jul 09, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: fushigi (Jul 09, 2008 4:59 am)

It's mostly US based but common definitions determined by common sense have seemed to serve the forum and all users well over the years. Some could argue base price ranges would be a good way to catagerize instead of EPA size. This would virtually eliminate ridiculous discussions such as Versa vs. Maxima.
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [jeffyscott] by backy
Jul 09, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2008 4:37 am)

You may find it silly, but as I am lining up candidates for my next car I am comparing alternatives such as the Optima, Sonata... and Elantra. They all have sufficient interior room, safety equipment, and power for my needs. The fact that the Elantra is about 10 inches shorter is irrelevant--although actually I see it as a plus.
 
I have no problem keeping this grouping as it is (although we need to remember others that cannot be listed here due to technical constraints, e.g. Optima, Milan, and Galant). But considering a car because it has mid-sized interior room, even though it's not mid-sized in length or width or hp or some other measure, is not "silly" IMO.
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [backy] by thegraduate
Jul 09, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 09, 2008 7:00 am)

I think the "silly" part is to suggest taking cars OUT of the comparison that are mainstream midsize cars even though they trip over the requirement (or miss it slightly).
 
Perhaps this should be called the "Mainstream Midsize Sedan Comparison" to compliment the "Mainstream Large Sedan Comparison."
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [backy] by moocow1
Jul 09, 2008 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 09, 2008 7:00 am)

And like we discussed earlier, some "mid-sized interiors" are not mid-size for real purposes. I think the Elantra is actually a legit mid-size, but many other designs are not. Either way I think a combination of mid-size to large interior and mid-size exterior are a good definition that covers most of the cars here. Obviously a little leeway toward other cars should be fine. The exterior and wheelbase do matter for a car, not just the interior. Maybe what we also need is a "roomy compact exterior" thread
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [backy] by jeffyscott
Jul 09, 2008 (11:14 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 09, 2008 7:00 am)

as I am lining up candidates for my next car I am comparing alternatives such as the Optima, Sonata... and Elantra.
 
Sorry, but...so what? Just because you think a car may meet your needs does not make it midsize. When I was shopping, I considered the RX-8 and the Ford 500 (now Taurus) along with several midsize cars.
 
The very definition you seem to want to use pushes the Sonata and Optima to "large". Seems like you agree with edmunds common sense classification scheme, when it includes those two cars in the mid-size category, but dismiss it when it excludes others.
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [jeffyscott] by backy
Jul 09, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2008 11:14 am)

You are putting words into my mouth. This has really gone far beyond the comment I made about the fact that some small cars have mid-sized interiors.
 
Also, check your facts. The EPA classes the Optima as a mid-sized car. Sonata (and Accord) are barely full-sized on the EPA scheme. This is what makes classifying cars by size difficult. Cars are growing in size over the years. The Accord, for example, used to be "compact" based on interior and exterior size. Now it's full-sized!
 
Obviously "at least mid-sized interior room" was not one of your criterion when you looked at cars. It was for me. That is all I was trying to say. I am not fixated on exterior size when it comes to cars. Passenger (and cargo) space is what's important. In fact, I drove a vehicle last week that is subcompact sized in length but has full-sized interior room and cargo space, and my wife and I loved the space efficiency of it.
 
You have your needs and wants, I have mine. Let's be respectful of each other's opinions, OK?
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [jeffyscott] by elroy5
Jul 09, 2008 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 09, 2008 11:14 am)

I considered the RX-8 and the Ford 500 (now Taurus) along with several midsize cars.
 
This is an odd combination. They have about as much in common as an oil tanker, and a bass boat. Either you need four doors and a big interior, or you don't. You must have been really confused at the time.
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Re: Time for EPA approved Midsize forum 3.0? [elroy5] by thegraduate
Jul 09, 2008 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 09, 2008 1:16 pm)

Sounds like my folks when they were shopping for a second car. Top 3 on their list?
 
A Nissan Versa, a Ford Taurus ('08), and a Hyundai VeraCruz.
 
The took the Taurus.
 
They really had no idea what they wanted, but took my suggestion in driving the Ford, and are happy with it!

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