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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [jeffyscott] by backy
Jul 03, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 03, 2008 12:48 pm)

If Edmunds classifies cars by exterior size, then the Elantra is a compact by their classification scheme. That is one way to classify cars. Another way, e.g. used by the EPA, is by interior volume. Personally, I find that kind of classification to be more useful. And I really like the fact that the Elantra (and Prius and Sentra and Versa) is "compact" on the outside and "mid-sized" on the inside. With gas prices as they will be for the forseeable future, i.e. high, I bet we'll be seeing many more cars that are big inside and small outside--ala the trend in other lands, where gas has been expensive for some time. Classifications based on the outer dimensions of a car will have little meaning then. As I think they do now.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [joe97] by m6user
Jul 03, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jul 03, 2008 1:11 pm)

It's really straight forward -
 
what you just said is just your opinion! If that was a fact it wouldn't matter whatsoever what the exterior looked like, a box for example, and that is simply not the case. Length of the car and it's wheelbase have a definite effect on how a car rides. Small cars ride choppier than bigger cars. I'm not saying they ride badly but they do ride different. They might scoot and park easily but I don't think that is what the majority of midsized buyers are looking for IMO.
 
BTW, tall people usually have wide wing spans so to speak and appreciate elbowroom as well as headroom.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [aviboy97] by m6user
Jul 03, 2008 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 03, 2008 11:02 am)

they have to pay out to the money grubbing UAW Union!!!!!
 
I don't appreciate the UAW all that much but unions were formed in this country for good reasons. They just got corrupted like many companies before and since. Remember it was the car company management that entered into the pension/retiree healthcare agreements with the unions. Why? Because they were making so much money that they believed it didn't matter and never would. Very short sighted I say.
 
It takes two to tango and it's all coming back to bite them all in the butts.
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Okay, okay by pat HOST
Jul 03, 2008 (1:48 pm)
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This is not the right place for this recent thread on the manufacturers. Please take it to the more appropriate discussions.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [m6user] by joe97
Jul 03, 2008 (3:19 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jul 03, 2008 1:31 pm)

I was talking soley on the measurement factor, nothing about how the car rides, or anything else within such regard.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [joe97] by m6user
Jul 03, 2008 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jul 03, 2008 3:19 pm)

But in regards to measurement, isn't the wheelbase a measurement and doesn't it affect ride? So the "how big or small a car is on the outside" would matter at least to some degree, wouldn't it?
 
I do agree that the interior dimensions, for most people, do have a more important role to play overall though.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [backy] by moocow1
Jul 03, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 03, 2008 10:30 am)

Actually I totally agree it's all about width and legroom to determine the REAL interior usable size. Height doesn't mean anything to most normal size people, only seriously tall people. And yes the Elantra really is mid-sized inside, unlike the prius, which is MOST CERTAINLY compact for all usage. Hell it's almost subcompact with how squished 3 tiny people are in the back. Meanwhile I've fit one big, one moderate, one small in the back of the elantra. So yes there is a huge difference between a real mid-size vs a prius.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [m6user] by jeffyscott
Jul 03, 2008 (5:38 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Jul 03, 2008 1:09 pm)

Honda began offering current Accord owners $6000 off on a new Accord but current owners refused and insisted on paying MSRP because they didn't want to hurt their future resale value.
 
Now that's funny.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [jeffyscott] by bhmr59
Jul 03, 2008 (6:08 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 03, 2008 5:38 pm)

Yeah, it's funny because there is a good amount of truth in it when it comes to the mind set of some people's thinking regarding "resale value."
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [moocow1] by backy
Jul 03, 2008 (8:35 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jul 03, 2008 3:54 pm)

Interior height means something to me, in three ways: 1) adequate headroom in the rear (I am only 5'10" but my rather short hair brushes the roof on some sedans); 2) enough headroom so that I can adjust the driver's seat up fairly high, both for good visibility and also to add maximum legroom behind me (for example, when I did this in a Versa there was nearly limo-like leg room in back); 3) enough headroom so that adding a moonroof doesn't cause a problem.
 
Another plus for a fairly "tall" car, interior-wise, is that it usually means the seats are fairly high, which makes entry/exit easier, and makes the rear seat more comfortable (providing good thigh support, which is often lacking even in mid-sized sedans).
 
A wide car is useful if you need to carry three adults in back on a regular basis. Since I don't, other measurements are more important to me. A wider car means to me that it's harder to fit in my garage, and harder to fit the car into parking ramp spaces that seem to be growing smaller every year. The real downer is a fairly wide car w/o folding mirrors, e.g. Fulan and Sonata.

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