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Midsize Sedans 2.0

13306 messages,  Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:18 PM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [jeffyscott] by backy
Jul 03, 2008 (10:30 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 03, 2008 7:23 am)

So now it comes down to how wide a car is inside? If someone is tall, or of someone needs to carry two long-legged adults in back frequently, interior height or legroom could be more important than width.
 
But if width is important, then I guess the Elantra is definitely mid-sized. It is within fractions of an inch of the width inside of the Mazda6. Plus the Elantra has more front leg room than the Mazda6.
 
If you really need those extra inches of steel and plastic outside to call your car "mid-sized", go ahead. To me, it's what's inside that counts.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [thegraduate] by backy
Jul 03, 2008 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 03, 2008 10:26 am)

That seems very odd, since apparently this is not a challenging market for the Accord. Why would dealers give discounts like that on Accords when they don't have to?
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr by akirby
Jul 03, 2008 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 03, 2008 9:42 am)

I'm not even going to respond to such a ridiculous statement. Go find the number of vehicles produced in the U.S. and the total number of people employed by Ford, Honda and Toyota (including sales and service) and report back.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [backy] by thegraduate
Jul 03, 2008 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 03, 2008 10:32 am)

Perhaps the poster is a little optimistic about the model of car they drive.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [backy] by 2002slt
Jul 03, 2008 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 03, 2008 10:32 am)

That seems very odd, since apparently this is not a challenging market for the Accord. Why would dealers give discounts like that on Accords when they don't have to?
 
I was offered one at invoice. Decided the more than $5k savings for a similarly equipped Sonata was a much better deal. Not to mention I perfer the Sonata's driveability over the Accord's.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr by aviboy97
Jul 03, 2008 (11:02 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 03, 2008 9:42 am)

Lets not forget why the domestic brands are having trouble financially. It is not just from lack of product sales, but how much money they have to pay out to the money grubbing UAW Union!!!!! Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai workers here in the U.S. are not members of the UAW, and therefor, are not financially strained by the 85yr olds collecting benefits, pension and other little perks for being a fender stamper 40 years ago. Lets be real here, until the domestics can get rid of the UAW, they will never survive, regardless of how much they improve their product.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [mcdawgg] by joe97
Jul 03, 2008 (11:32 am)
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Replying to: mcdawgg (Jul 03, 2008 8:41 am)

You should tell Toyota that. Apparently they missed the memo about how easy it is to sell cars in this segment. Surely they missed it, since Toyota started offering $199 lease specials, special financing rates, only a few months after the Camry introduction.
 
Just because Toyota is selling x number of its Camry units, doens't mean this segment is too easy for them. This is probably the toughest segment of all, especially now since every brand is likely putting their best efforts into their midsize product. Also, all midsize sedans are benefiting to some degree consumers trading down to a fuel efficient car from mostly SUVs.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [backy] by jeffyscott
Jul 03, 2008 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 03, 2008 10:30 am)

So now it comes down to how wide a car is inside?
 
It certainly is an important factor, not the only factor. A car that is about 3 inches narrower inside, for most of the interior width meassurements, than the Mazda6 (which many call cramped) is not a midsize.
 
But if width is important, then I guess the Elantra is definitely mid-sized.
 
Ah, but don't forget that the outgoing Mazda6 is called "cramped" by many.
 
Edmunds classifies both the Elantra and the Prius as compacts. I tend to agree with their opinion on this. Maybe you'd like to try convincing them that the Elantra is misclassified, despite it's "compact" exterior dimensions.
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [backy] by m6user
Jul 03, 2008 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 03, 2008 10:32 am)

I heard from fairly reliable sources that Honda began offering current Accord owners $6000 off on a new Accord but current owners refused and insisted on paying MSRP because they didn't want to hurt their future resale value. Do you think it could be true????
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Re: The Prius is not a midsize [jeffyscott] by joe97
Jul 03, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jul 03, 2008 12:48 pm)

It's really straight forward - usable space. It really doesn't matter how big or small the car is on the outside, it's the interior volume and trunk space that count.

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