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13336 messages, Last post on Dec 05, 2009 at 4:32 PM
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:39 pm) Every indication is that Mazda has made the next 6 more "mainstream" while still retaining the handling and style expected by Mazda afficionados. We'll see if that's enough.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:27 pm) Honda jumped the shark last year, with their redesign. Gained weight, lost mpg with both I4 and V6, and have some issues with the VCM. They're definitely vulnerable now......... Of course that remains to be seen.... back in '96 when Ford jumped the shark with their Taurus redesign, they were still midsize sales champs in '96. But afterwards, when it became apparent the new Taurus wasn't as good as the previous design {92 thru 95} sales dropped off, and never recovered. Just possibly Honda is smart enough to quickly recover before the Accord does the same thing........ I'm not so sure that Mazda's redesign was all that smart at this time too, because again, we have a weight gain. Though only 150 lbs or so......... Being later to the table, allows Ford to make hay now {Hyundai could gain too}. If the new 3L is efficient enough {yeah, I know, big question yet}, then Ford having the lighter platform, may very well become the V6 midsize mileage leader. Doesn't sound all that crazy really, when you realize that the '08 Taurus is EPA rated at 18/28 which is better than many in this class, then lives up to it in the "Real World MPG"........If Ford can do the same thing with the Fusion/ Milan, watch out......... |
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Replying to: perna (Apr 13, 2007 11:49 am) good handling, quiet & good ride. Some niggling complaints, poor placement of some controls, reflections on the radio screen, and inadequate mileage. about 28 - 29/5 tops at 65 to 70 mph cruise. I'd consider buying one if the mpg was better.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:47 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:27 pm) Is Ford 2-3 years late with their new engines? Of course! Why? Poor management decisions of the past. Mulally and Fields are fixing things as fast as they can, but you can't fix everything at once when you have limited funds and resources. Fusion is important but it's more important to have the 3.5L in the crossovers than in a Fusion right now. They may be late, but they're finally doing things the right way. Watch how fast they convert truck/SUV plants to produce small cars. The old management ball and chain is gone. The only question is whether they can hang on long enough to implement the changes.
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 02, 2008 2:22 pm) And it's not 3rd place everyone is fighting for anymore... with the ascent of the small cars, it's more like 4th or maybe soon 5th!
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 3:07 pm) Well, I was talking about "midsize sedans" only. Do you see another midsize sedan taking over the number 1 or 2 spot in the next 10 years? I don't. When our friend or neighbor's Malibu is still holding up well at 10 years/150k miles, we might believe the "change" is real.
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 02, 2008 4:07 pm) Ten years is a very long time. How many people would have predicted 10 years ago that MT would rank a Korean mid-sized car over the Accord, Camry, and Altima, not to mention GM, Ford, and Chrysler? Or that a Korean mid-sized car would equal Accord and Camry in predicted reliability? That would have had to be a lunatic saying things like that 10 years ago. Yes... ten years is a very long time indeed.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 4:26 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 4:26 pm) If the roof on my wife's Jetta was maybe an inch higher, it too would be mid-size, according to the EPA's silly definition. As Edmunds put it: Toyota is fond of pointing out that the EPA classifies the 2008 Prius as a midsize car, just like the Camry. But the Prius is much closer in size to a 2008 Toyota Corolla compact than a midsize Camry...the plain fact is the Prius is 3-4 inches narrower than the Camry, inside and out, and we can feel it the moment we sit in the cars. Prius vs. Camry
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