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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2]
by moocow1
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
How can any car be too late unless it's actually worse than current models? The market will ebb and flow. I can bet you guys that in 10-15 years, the camry and/or accord will no longer be on top. At least one will definitely fall and be replaced by another top selling model. Who knows which of the current pretenders it is. But just like how the Camry and Accord took over the top spot 1990s, someone else could push them off. It's really a matter of gaining the reputation and loyal customers to keep buying your car. Toyota and Honda did that, but the tide seems to be changing for toyota finally. The mazda 6 looks like a very good car actually. Of course mazda itself doesn't have the mindshare or reputation to be a top seller....yet. If they make giant strides over the next 10-15 years, who knows?
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- #10046 of 13283
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr
by akirby
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
Mazda is building their 3.7L in their own factory and in rather small volumes compared to Ford's 3.5L/3.7L which is going in the MKS, Flex, MKX, Edge and MKZ exclusively - that's close to 400K vehicles per year right there.
The 2010 Fusion gets an improved 3.0L with 240 hp and better fuel economy. It is supposed to get a limited version with the 3.5L also. Add in the hybrid and the new 6 speed trannies for the 4 cylinder models and it's competitive.
It's a solid car getting a lot of improvements after only 3 years. Nothing to apologize for.
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Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [moocow1]
by backy
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jul 02, 2008 1:11 pm)
On a dollar amount, the sonata is worse. On a percentage, the sonata is worse.
Was there a typo in there? Using your numbers, I came out with the Camry doing worse in terms of dollars (loss of $6000 after 3 years vs. Sonata at $5500). Which illustrates the point I made earlier very well--the higher-priced car tends to come out well on depreciation on the percentages, maybe not as well as dollars out of pocket.
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- #10048 of 13283
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Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [backy]
by moocow1
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:16 pm)
Prius certainly isn't hurt by fleet sales 
Then again having the highest fuel economy 4 door vehicle will do that. I'm reminded of the hoarde of ford escape hybrid taxis I've seen. Hybrids will sell just for the fuel advantage.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby]
by captain2
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:27 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 02, 2008 1:20 pm)
after only 3 years. Nothing to apologize for.
now THAT is exactly what the problem is. The reason why the Fusion couldn't have better engines 3 years ago is why??? Ford will never again be a player in this segment if they are always the last to show up at the party.
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- #10050 of 13283
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2]
by backy
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:31 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
Is it too late for the Mazda6?
That is a good question. Based on what I've seen and read about the all-new Mazda6, it should be competitive with the best in class in performance and interior room, offer class-leading styling (subjective of course), a great blend of ride and handling, and be competitively priced with the likes of the Sonata and Malibu. If it's all that and still can't make more of a mark in the mid-sized market, then I don't know what else Mazda can do. Maybe take over Ford?
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- #10051 of 13283
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2] [backy]
by moocow1
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:31 pm)
As long as sales actually start to rise, I think the Mazda6 will be succeeding. The real question is if the momentum will last until the next redesign.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr
by aviboy97
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
The Fusion is a dulled down Mazda6 to begin with! The new Mazda6, from what it seems, is ready to play with the big boys. Question is, will it work? That remains to be seen.
The new Mazda6 is equipped with its new 2.5L, which has gotten rave reviews for smoothness and refinement. According to all who have driven it, it is more then a worthy competitor, and should do very well.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2] [backy]
by captain2
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:31 pm)
honestly do you believe that Joe Carbuyer even considers Mazda in the same way as he might think of the Camcordima, or even more directly the Malibu or Sonata in the same price category. Styling evaluations are certainly subjective but in terms of ride/handling Mazdas have always been niche vehicles, something they
best not change unless they want to alienate the few loyalists they do have.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2] [backy] [captain2]
by backy
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:47 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:39 pm)
If these Joe Carbuyers are the sheep who wander into their Toyota or Honda dealerships and plop down their money on a Camry or Accord without seriously considering anything else, then I agree with you. But for buyers who pay attention to the market, the Mazda6 (and 626 before it) has been well regarded for a long time. Remember back when the first FWD 626 debuted? It was hailed as the class leader. The first 6 was also well regarded when it arrived--but that was 6 years ago, and now it's no longer competitive with the best in class even though I think it's still a very pleasant car to drive.
Every indication is that Mazda has made the next 6 more "mainstream" while still retaining the handling and style expected by Mazda afficionados. We'll see if that's enough.
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