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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 02, 2008 12:51 pm) Wonder what ever happened to plans to put a decent V6 in the Ford. I guess the Mazda 6 gets blessed with something more competitive simply because it sells many fewer copies than the Ford version. I'm sure that akirby will be happy to fill us in on the latest 'promise' out of a long list of unfufilled promises. |
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 02, 2008 10:14 am) Hypothetical Example: 2009 Sonata bought at $16.5k, retail cost 20k, resale value after 3 years at 11k, 33% loss off buy price, 45% loss off retail 2009 Camry bought at $19k, retail cost 20.5k, resale value after 3 years at 13k, - 31.5% loss, 37% loss off retail. Let's say these are the numbers for resale. On a dollar amount, the sonata is worse. On a percentage, the sonata is worse. On the ACTUAL costs, the sonata completely wins. You paid less to start, you paid less overall after selling. Nobody freaking actually uses these values. All I ever see is bs with resale percentages and resale based off retail and resale based off completely wrong "True market values". Sonata blows everyone away in costs using legit values that I've calculated myself. This doesn't even include the extra value of having cash from not paying more up front. Anyways my original thought is that the sonata might improve from selling for 11k in 3 years to being 11.3k or something. A sensible change due to a better car and increasing interest.
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Replying to: cstiles (Jul 02, 2008 9:22 am)  in fleets (specifically Hertz, from which I rent a lot of cars). But since Toyota sells tons of Camrys and Corollas to private parties, the number of fleet sales as a percentage of total sales might be relatively low compared to other makes, even if the number of cars sold to fleets is significant.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm) |
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm) The 2010 Fusion gets an improved 3.0L with 240 hp and better fuel economy. It is supposed to get a limited version with the 3.5L also. Add in the hybrid and the new 6 speed trannies for the 4 cylinder models and it's competitive. It's a solid car getting a lot of improvements after only 3 years. Nothing to apologize for.
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Replying to: moocow1 (Jul 02, 2008 1:11 pm) Was there a typo in there? Using your numbers, I came out with the Camry doing worse in terms of dollars (loss of $6000 after 3 years vs. Sonata at $5500). Which illustrates the point I made earlier very well--the higher-priced car tends to come out well on depreciation on the percentages, maybe not as well as dollars out of pocket. |
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:16 pm)  Then again having the highest fuel economy 4 door vehicle will do that. I'm reminded of the hoarde of ford escape hybrid taxis I've seen. Hybrids will sell just for the fuel advantage. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 02, 2008 1:20 pm) now THAT is exactly what the problem is. The reason why the Fusion couldn't have better engines 3 years ago is why??? Ford will never again be a player in this segment if they are always the last to show up at the party.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm) That is a good question. Based on what I've seen and read about the all-new Mazda6, it should be competitive with the best in class in performance and interior room, offer class-leading styling (subjective of course), a great blend of ride and handling, and be competitively priced with the likes of the Sonata and Malibu. If it's all that and still can't make more of a mark in the mid-sized market, then I don't know what else Mazda can do. Maybe take over Ford?
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Replying to: backy (Jul 02, 2008 1:31 pm) |
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