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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegraduate]
by captain2
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Jul 02, 2008 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 02, 2008 12:19 pm)
the Ecotec 4 banger I would suggest to you is the Malibu's biggest liability particularily in a class (and at a time) where the 4s far outsell the 6s. The Fusion and Sebring engines are further testament to Detroit's inability to produce good small engines.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr
by akirby
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Jul 02, 2008 (12:32 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 12:27 pm)
The Fusion gets a new 2.5L I4 in December.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby]
by captain2
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Jul 02, 2008 (12:47 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jul 02, 2008 12:32 pm)
even if it is better - too little too late? A good engine of any type is a lot more than what it says on a spec sheet.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2]
by thegraduate
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Jul 02, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 12:47 pm)
If it isn't too late for the Mazda 6, it isn't too late for the Ford Fusion.
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Dismal industry...
by kdshapiro
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Jul 02, 2008 (12:53 pm)
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=128330?imw=Y
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate]
by captain2
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:06 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 02, 2008 12:51 pm)
well now that's an interesting question - is it too late for the Mazda 6? - or more precisely can the Mazda ever be a major player in this segment - given its definitively limited market segment. The Fusion, at least, is a bit more 'mainstream' and therefore has more of a market presence.
Wonder what ever happened to plans to put a decent V6 in the Ford. I guess the Mazda 6 gets blessed with something more competitive simply because it sells many fewer copies than the Ford version.
I'm sure that akirby will be happy to fill us in on the latest 'promise' out of a long list of unfufilled promises.
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Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [aviboy97]
by moocow1
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 02, 2008 10:14 am)
I think you guys read my question wrong. When I say resale value increase, I mean increase over current resale values. I don't mean having the same resale dollar amount as a Camry or Accord. I don't care about that at all. All I care is the resale amount in comparison to my buy price. That's the ONLY number that matters.
Hypothetical Example:
2009 Sonata bought at $16.5k, retail cost 20k, resale value after 3 years at 11k, 33% loss off buy price, 45% loss off retail
2009 Camry bought at $19k, retail cost 20.5k, resale value after 3 years at 13k, - 31.5% loss, 37% loss off retail.
Let's say these are the numbers for resale. On a dollar amount, the sonata is worse. On a percentage, the sonata is worse. On the ACTUAL costs, the sonata completely wins. You paid less to start, you paid less overall after selling.
Nobody freaking actually uses these values. All I ever see is bs with resale percentages and resale based off retail and resale based off completely wrong "True market values". Sonata blows everyone away in costs using legit values that I've calculated myself. This doesn't even include the extra value of having cash from not paying more up front.
Anyways my original thought is that the sonata might improve from selling for 11k in 3 years to being 11.3k or something. A sensible change due to a better car and increasing interest.
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Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [cstiles]
by backy
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:16 pm)
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Replying to: cstiles (Jul 02, 2008 9:22 am)
One of the reasons some mid-sized cars are not being sold as much to fleets is because of a choice by the manufacturer to reduce fleet sales. Hyundai has done this with the Sonata, Ford said it would cut back on Fusions going to fleets, and so forth. I still see a lot of Toyotas, including Camrys and Corollas, and also Priuses  in fleets (specifically Hertz, from which I rent a lot of cars). But since Toyota sells tons of Camrys and Corollas to private parties, the number of fleet sales as a percentage of total sales might be relatively low compared to other makes, even if the number of cars sold to fleets is significant.
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2]
by moocow1
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:17 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
How can any car be too late unless it's actually worse than current models? The market will ebb and flow. I can bet you guys that in 10-15 years, the camry and/or accord will no longer be on top. At least one will definitely fall and be replaced by another top selling model. Who knows which of the current pretenders it is. But just like how the Camry and Accord took over the top spot 1990s, someone else could push them off. It's really a matter of gaining the reputation and loyal customers to keep buying your car. Toyota and Honda did that, but the tide seems to be changing for toyota finally. The mazda 6 looks like a very good car actually. Of course mazda itself doesn't have the mindshare or reputation to be a top seller....yet. If they make giant strides over the next 10-15 years, who knows?
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Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr
by akirby
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Jul 02, 2008 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 02, 2008 1:06 pm)
Mazda is building their 3.7L in their own factory and in rather small volumes compared to Ford's 3.5L/3.7L which is going in the MKS, Flex, MKX, Edge and MKZ exclusively - that's close to 400K vehicles per year right there.
The 2010 Fusion gets an improved 3.0L with 240 hp and better fuel economy. It is supposed to get a limited version with the 3.5L also. Add in the hybrid and the new 6 speed trannies for the 4 cylinder models and it's competitive.
It's a solid car getting a lot of improvements after only 3 years. Nothing to apologize for.
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