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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#10036 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu June sales as usual [mz6greyghost]
Jul 02, 2008 (12:21 pm)
To expect the Malibu to match the CamCord numbers on it's FIRST year of a redesign is simply ludicrous, and I'm sure GM has known this from the start.
Perhaps you failed to notice that sales are trending down every month, not up. GM spent over $100 million on sales promotion on this new Malibu, a figure higher than for the Accord, Camry and Altima combined.
Still, the 86% increase from June 2007 is not a valid comparison as the new Malibu is a totally different car that was expected to appeal to a wider audience including the coveted import buyer. Instead what they got with the new Bu is an older demographic. Well, it won't be long before they turn to the Impala playbook. Heavy discounting and other sales incentives such as zero percent financing and free OnStar and XM for life.
#10037 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegraduate]
Jul 02, 2008 (12:27 pm)
the Ecotec 4 banger I would suggest to you is the Malibu's biggest liability particularily in a class (and at a time) where the 4s far outsell the 6s. The Fusion and Sebring engines are further testament to Detroit's inability to produce good small engines.
#10038 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr
Jul 02, 2008 (12:32 pm)
The Fusion gets a new 2.5L I4 in December.
#10039 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby]
Jul 02, 2008 (12:47 pm)
even if it is better - too little too late? A good engine of any type is a lot more than what it says on a spec sheet.
#10040 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2]
Jul 02, 2008 (12:51 pm)
If it isn't too late for the Mazda 6, it isn't too late for the Ford Fusion.
#10042 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate]
Jul 02, 2008 (1:06 pm)
well now that's an interesting question - is it too late for the Mazda 6? - or more precisely can the Mazda ever be a major player in this segment - given its definitively limited market segment. The Fusion, at least, is a bit more 'mainstream' and therefore has more of a market presence.
Wonder what ever happened to plans to put a decent V6 in the Ford. I guess the Mazda 6 gets blessed with something more competitive simply because it sells many fewer copies than the Ford version.
I'm sure that akirby will be happy to fill us in on the latest 'promise' out of a long list of unfufilled promises.
#10043 of 20195 Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [aviboy97]
Jul 02, 2008 (1:11 pm)
I think you guys read my question wrong. When I say resale value increase, I mean increase over current resale values. I don't mean having the same resale dollar amount as a Camry or Accord. I don't care about that at all. All I care is the resale amount in comparison to my buy price. That's the ONLY number that matters.
2009 Sonata bought at $16.5k, retail cost 20k, resale value after 3 years at 11k, 33% loss off buy price, 45% loss off retail
2009 Camry bought at $19k, retail cost 20.5k, resale value after 3 years at 13k, - 31.5% loss, 37% loss off retail.
Let's say these are the numbers for resale. On a dollar amount, the sonata is worse. On a percentage, the sonata is worse. On the ACTUAL costs, the sonata completely wins. You paid less to start, you paid less overall after selling.
Nobody freaking actually uses these values. All I ever see is bs with resale percentages and resale based off retail and resale based off completely wrong "True market values". Sonata blows everyone away in costs using legit values that I've calculated myself. This doesn't even include the extra value of having cash from not paying more up front.
Anyways my original thought is that the sonata might improve from selling for 11k in 3 years to being 11.3k or something. A sensible change due to a better car and increasing interest.
#10044 of 20195 Re: Hyundai up Sonata rebate [cstiles]
Jul 02, 2008 (1:16 pm)
One of the reasons some mid-sized cars are not being sold as much to fleets is because of a choice by the manufacturer to reduce fleet sales. Hyundai has done this with the Sonata, Ford said it would cut back on Fusions going to fleets, and so forth. I still see a lot of Toyotas, including Camrys and Corollas, and also Priuses in fleets (specifically Hertz, from which I rent a lot of cars). But since Toyota sells tons of Camrys and Corollas to private parties, the number of fleet sales as a percentage of total sales might be relatively low compared to other makes, even if the number of cars sold to fleets is significant.
#10045 of 20195 Re: Dismal Chevy Malibu Sales[mz6greyghost] [thegraduate] [captain2] [thegr [akirby] [captain2] [thegraduate] [captain2]
Jul 02, 2008 (1:17 pm)
How can any car be too late unless it's actually worse than current models? The market will ebb and flow. I can bet you guys that in 10-15 years, the camry and/or accord will no longer be on top. At least one will definitely fall and be replaced by another top selling model. Who knows which of the current pretenders it is. But just like how the Camry and Accord took over the top spot 1990s, someone else could push them off. It's really a matter of gaining the reputation and loyal customers to keep buying your car. Toyota and Honda did that, but the tide seems to be changing for toyota finally. The mazda 6 looks like a very good car actually. Of course mazda itself doesn't have the mindshare or reputation to be a top seller....yet. If they make giant strides over the next 10-15 years, who knows?