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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 08, 2007 6:36 am) The really big difference is they are drive by wire, and managed by a computer to a greater extent than your standard ICE vehicle (which today typically pretty computer controlled anyway), but I'd suggest this makes them more reliable, though a failure means they _might_ not be able to limp in for service. A well-designed, electronic system can be no more complicated (aside from the programming) than a mechanical system, but more precise and, especially compared to the mechanical cars of old, much more reliable. Sure, technically the computer is doing lots of things when, for instance, it switches from power to charge to regenerative braking, but the actual execution of it is really pretty simple, different but no more complex than an automatic transmission shifting while the engine accelerates or when the brake pedal is pushed and the mechanical brake mechanisms using friction, hydraulics and other components along with the downshifting transmission slow the vehicle down. But there are ways they are less complicated. No serpentine belt, pulleys and other components to run the alternator (there is none), power steering, air conditioning. Just electric motors. And those motors will probably last the life of the vehicle. Ever lose a serpentine belt on the highway? Sure, cheap to replace if one fails, but I'd suggest a well-designed collection of electric/electronic components is more reliable than the combination of similar components driven by that serpentine belt (I don't have statistics here to back this up, just a hunch based on experience with standard cars and reliability of electrical/electronic components). I'd really like to see statistics that back up the likely to break down statement. Anecdotally, after almost 2 years of driving the Highlander, and with friends who drive Priuses and a new Camry hybrid, my informal survey and personal experience says these are reliable, especially compared with my experiences in 35 years of driving any number of vehicles that were problematic. Yes, there have been reports of failures, but there are failures in all products, some design flaws but more often individual problems. The only recall I'm aware of for the Highlander had to do with an interior trim piece that could affect the accelerator - on hybrid AND ICE models. Yes, the average driveway mechanic can't work on the hybrid components of hybrids, but with most vehicles being more and more computer controlled, you can't work on them, either, when it comes to the electronic components. But compared to the last 2 vehicles I've owned, I have a feeling the Highlander Hybrid will continue to be absolutely trouble free by 25000 miles while each of the last 2 had to have service for problems - and they were run of the mill vans that in the long run had significant failures in "proven" systems that ended up costing significant $$ and, with the last one, would have cost thousands more had it not been we bought the hybrid. Initial cost of the Highlander was higher than the ICE version, over the life of the vehicle our TCO will probably be similar to the ICE version, so overall it's a wash. But we'll also have saved about 20% of the gasoline an ICE version would have used, we will have polluted less, and our overall experience would have been similar with excellent reliability and comparable maintenance costs. Check with me in 10 years/150K miles and we'll see if I'm right, but I suspect the reliability of the hybrid components will be better than had we had an equivalent ICE vehicle, based on their being electronic rather than mechanical.
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Replying to: jdkahler (Apr 08, 2007 9:55 pm) Again these are all just my own opinion not based on any "facts" or stats. To keep this on topic, I'd still like to see more diesels come over here, especially in a hyundai. -mike |
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Replying to: jdkahler (Apr 08, 2007 9:55 pm) You may disagree but the facts present a different view. With a hybrid you have two separate power sources working to power the same set of wheels either together or each on its own. It is impossible to do something like that without it being more complicated than one power source. It requires more moving parts, the ability to shut off and turn on power sources automatically. Its far more complicated. a CVT that has more than one drive component (the ICE and an electric motor that doubles as a generator) - which is different but not necessarily more complicated than any other type of transmission, While the transmission itself is not more complicated the linkage to the two power sources are. Anecdotally, after almost 2 years of driving the Highlander, 2 years is nothing, get back to be in 10 years when you have 200K on the car and shelled out $5k on batteries alone. I suspect the reliability of the hybrid components will be better than had we had an equivalent ICE vehicle, based on their being electronic rather than mechanical. But you see its not either ICE or electrical it is both. When you combine the two it becomes far more complicated than either one combined. your typical drivetrain on a Hybrid has more than twice the number of parts that a ICE engine has. You cant sit here and tell me that it is not. |
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1. No way this car will be starting at "well below" $30K like Hyundai stated. I will make a prediction that a base V6 will have a MSRP of $28,999 and top of the line V8 at around $40K. Mark my words. Even at these prices, if the Genesis could live up to its hype it'll still be a great value. 2. The V8 better has well more than 300HP, it should be at somewhere around 330 - 350HP range. The V6 will be adequet at around 270HP. 3. Although it's most graceful looking Hyundai in its short history it is still a combination of rip-offs from other brands. Headlights from Acura, grill from Nissan, front facial from Lexus, side profile from Infiniti, tail lights from Aston Martin and tail profile from BMW. However, there is nothing wrong with that since the first LS was a complete rip-off from MB S-class anyway. 4. I would never buy this car since it's too big in size for my taste (mid-size is the largest I'll go, prefer something like 3er, IS or G). However, would I recommend this car to my friends/relatives? You betcha.
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Hyundai USA execs emphatically state that the Genesis will not top out at $40K. They are stating it would defeat the very purpose to trying to gain a foothold in the luxury segment. Let's face the fact that Hyundai can put anything on the MSRP sticker and then sell OTD $5k less. So they can sell it for anything they want as they attempt to get the attention of those they are targetting. Could we admit that the loaded Azera, which sells nowhere near $30K is one of the bargains of the automotive world? The Genesis will follow suit. I guarantee that.
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Replying to: prosource1 (Apr 09, 2007 10:38 am) 
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Replying to: drdonrs (Apr 09, 2007 11:52 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 09, 2007 4:17 am) will be a great value. When Lexus first came out, it was a true bargain compare to BMW and MERCEDES. Now depending on which model, I don't think they are bargains anymore. It took many years to establish themselves in that segment. For Hyundai, it's probably not right time to create a second brand like Lexus or Infiniti. It costs lots of money and those costs have to be passed on to consumers. If Genesis project is successful, someday they might have a second luxury brand. In the near future, we might see some low-end cars from China. It seems smart for Hyundai to capture different market than just low to middle segment. And competition is always good. If it wasn't for Lexus or Infiniti, other high-end brands would be charging more or come up with lesser quality vehicles. 
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Replying to: joe97 (Apr 09, 2007 5:56 pm)
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