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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 08, 2007 6:23 am) |
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Replying to: gpk (Apr 08, 2007 6:33 am) |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 08, 2007 6:36 am) I'll take a diesel, preferrably an Isuzu based diesel system any day of the week. It's funny the Duramax Diesel is actually Isuzu in the GMs.  -mike |
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http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10/17/hyundai-getz-as-efficient-as-a-toyota-pr- ius-in-london-test/ 63 MPG http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/roadtests/43126/hyundai_getz.html
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Replying to: prosource1 (Apr 08, 2007 10:14 am) According to the Hyundai UK web site the Getz gets 42.8 city and 60.3 highway in the diesel version. The gasser gets about 20% less. I do wish they would bring that car here. |
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 08, 2007 6:19 am) Don
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Replying to: drdonrs (Apr 08, 2007 6:54 pm) -mike |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 08, 2007 6:36 am) The really big difference is they are drive by wire, and managed by a computer to a greater extent than your standard ICE vehicle (which today typically pretty computer controlled anyway), but I'd suggest this makes them more reliable, though a failure means they _might_ not be able to limp in for service. A well-designed, electronic system can be no more complicated (aside from the programming) than a mechanical system, but more precise and, especially compared to the mechanical cars of old, much more reliable. Sure, technically the computer is doing lots of things when, for instance, it switches from power to charge to regenerative braking, but the actual execution of it is really pretty simple, different but no more complex than an automatic transmission shifting while the engine accelerates or when the brake pedal is pushed and the mechanical brake mechanisms using friction, hydraulics and other components along with the downshifting transmission slow the vehicle down. But there are ways they are less complicated. No serpentine belt, pulleys and other components to run the alternator (there is none), power steering, air conditioning. Just electric motors. And those motors will probably last the life of the vehicle. Ever lose a serpentine belt on the highway? Sure, cheap to replace if one fails, but I'd suggest a well-designed collection of electric/electronic components is more reliable than the combination of similar components driven by that serpentine belt (I don't have statistics here to back this up, just a hunch based on experience with standard cars and reliability of electrical/electronic components). I'd really like to see statistics that back up the likely to break down statement. Anecdotally, after almost 2 years of driving the Highlander, and with friends who drive Priuses and a new Camry hybrid, my informal survey and personal experience says these are reliable, especially compared with my experiences in 35 years of driving any number of vehicles that were problematic. Yes, there have been reports of failures, but there are failures in all products, some design flaws but more often individual problems. The only recall I'm aware of for the Highlander had to do with an interior trim piece that could affect the accelerator - on hybrid AND ICE models. Yes, the average driveway mechanic can't work on the hybrid components of hybrids, but with most vehicles being more and more computer controlled, you can't work on them, either, when it comes to the electronic components. But compared to the last 2 vehicles I've owned, I have a feeling the Highlander Hybrid will continue to be absolutely trouble free by 25000 miles while each of the last 2 had to have service for problems - and they were run of the mill vans that in the long run had significant failures in "proven" systems that ended up costing significant $$ and, with the last one, would have cost thousands more had it not been we bought the hybrid. Initial cost of the Highlander was higher than the ICE version, over the life of the vehicle our TCO will probably be similar to the ICE version, so overall it's a wash. But we'll also have saved about 20% of the gasoline an ICE version would have used, we will have polluted less, and our overall experience would have been similar with excellent reliability and comparable maintenance costs. Check with me in 10 years/150K miles and we'll see if I'm right, but I suspect the reliability of the hybrid components will be better than had we had an equivalent ICE vehicle, based on their being electronic rather than mechanical.
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 looking sexy hyundai genesis |
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Replying to: jdkahler (Apr 08, 2007 9:55 pm) Again these are all just my own opinion not based on any "facts" or stats. To keep this on topic, I'd still like to see more diesels come over here, especially in a hyundai. -mike |
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