Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009-

Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 10, 2009 12:00 pm)

That 280 hp rating was based on what Toyota wanted to put out there
 
Toyota misrepresented nothing - they simply tested theitr engines to the testing rules in effect at the time, and that is what the engine earned. Honda/Acura as well as Nissan all derated when the standards were changed - look it up. It's really not that important, but people in glass houses.....
Bet you don't want to go back about 10 years or so and talk about all the folks ready to sue Hyundai for misstating ALL their HP ratings on all their sorry arss engines they made at the time - or do you?

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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 10, 2009 12:11 pm)

Yeah...we can go back to that and it was only 7 years ago because it happend on the 2002 model year. I was one of those that enjoyed an even more extended warranty (12yr/120k mile) because of that fiasco. I mean...10 hp wasn't a big deal, but a technicality is a technicality. The problem is...Hyundai was going by the standards in effect now and then tried to employ the same standards as Toyota, Honda and Nissan and it back fired on them! Oh well, what to do...make a better engine and call it a day.
 
Hyundai not making engines of significance...I wonder why in the world prestigous Mercedes Benz would want to get involved with poor lil Hyundai in developing a 3 cylinder engine to be used in a new vehicle by MB. I mean...Toyota being so cutting edge would seem like a lock for something like that. Hmmmmmmmmmm...maybe the good folks at MB know something you don't.

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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 10, 2009 12:11 pm)

Bet you don't want to go back about 10 years or so and talk about all the folks ready to sue Hyundai for misstating ALL their HP ratings on all their sorry arss engines they made at the time - or do you?
 
No. Genesis is less than 2 years old. The company turned around in 2006, so discussing anything before that date is pointless.
 
You don't want to go back 2 years and talk about all those Toyota sludge engines do you?

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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 10, 2009 12:11 pm)

All that and the Hyundai 3.8 manages to be right behind that extraordinary 2GR
 
so I guess the old theory about a biiger engine SHOULD put out more Hp and torque makes no sense to you? Imagine what the 2GR would do if they made as a 3.8 - starti> at 310 hp maybe . The 3.8 is only decent in that there are a number of engines that surpass it in terms of technology, refinement, and specific power output (HPa and/or torque per unit volume) , primarily those normally aspirated engines that I specifically noted. Yes, when Hyundai gets around to improving the valvetrain control (and eventually they should have to) the sky indeed is the limit - but for now, there simply is no comparison between the 3.8 and a number of the competitor's V6s out there. Not just Toyota's.
If the Genesis is such a superior effort (as I would be inclined to agree it is) then doesn't it deserve an engine that is something more than 'midpack' engine?
BTW simply push that 2GR HARD and then do the same in your Azera, and you should easily hear, feel, and otherwise understand the difference.

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Replying to: bobad (Jul 10, 2009 12:19 pm)

sure we can talk about sludge - in 3 liter and 3.3 liter engines that Toyota has since discontinued - years ago - a problem with several mfgrs.and a situation that Toyota handled particularily badly. (Yes, even Toyota's ---- can stink)
Allmet's inference in his orig post was that Toyota overstated the 2GR's HP as part of some nefarious scheme to defraud customers - an absurd contention.
Hyundai DID defraud its customers not all that long ago by intentionally overstating their power numbers ostensibly so they could sell more cars - and DID pay millions restitution. If you want to read about it, I can provide a link or two?
 
PS I happen to agree with your contention that Hyundai is cleaning up its act - but do you really think that the American carbuyer can forget what happened a few years ago - or even worse before that?

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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 10, 2009 1:14 pm)

but do you really think that the American carbuyer can forget what happened a few years ago
 
The only ones that really mention it are those that were affected or those that were shopping Hyundai vehicles around that time. That is actually one incident that came and went with minor fanfare.
 
My inference wasn't that they intentionally mis-stated hp ratings...they had their own rating system that gave them higher than realistic numbers. When a universal system was employed...that made it evident. Sorta like the auto electonics industry employing a universal system for stating output wattages of components (CEA-2006) since some companies had their own system for calculating outputs.
 
Toyota wasn't using some underhanded scheme to dupe the public..as long as they were going by THEIR calculations, they were putting out what they felt to be correct. Funny how a system is put in place that's not theirs and all the sudden, the numbers drop 12 hp. Hey...it is what it is, but now the playing field is leveled in terms of how hp is to be calculated...everyone's using the same method and formula.
 
Folks can talk about before that, but please do so with the reality that Toyota and Honda shared the same rough beginnings. What was the affectionate term imports were known as back the...Jap Crap? They weren't called that because they were setting standards of quailty, that's for sure buddy.

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