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Replying to: colegar (Jul 09, 2009 11:22 am) Right, quick revving and always "wanting" to be pushed hard even in a car not really meant for spirtited driving. I just don't get that from the Hyundai. Toyota's 3.5 is the probably the best V6 out there (especially in direct injected form). As for the transmission in the Genesis, its made by Toyota anyway. It suffers from the same crazy shift logic that is geared more toward fuel economy than anything else.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 09, 2009 7:45 pm) I'm not a great fan of hybrids, not in their present form. I think they're gimmicky and false economy, but that's another subject. I am hoping for a clean diesel option for the economy minded. A 5 or 6 cylinder turbo diesel would be plenty motivation for the Genesis, and would easily outlast the 10/100 warranty. I highly doubt a hybrid's expensive, consumable batteries and electronics could be covered by the 10/100. I can see a Genesis TD with 6M, 6A, or 8A with FE near 30mpg with acceptable 0-60 times for most drivers.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jul 09, 2009 9:28 pm) |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 10, 2009 4:29 am) Some of the magazine road tests have reported the Genesis 3.8's zero to sixty time at six seconds flat (Hyundai advertises 6.2 seconds). That is really hauling for a 3,750 pound car! I agree that the Genesis ECM computer is tuned for mileage during easy, low-speed takeoffs from stoplights, etc.and it tends to shift at very low RPM's. I would prefer it to be a little less anxious to reach third gear for economy's sake. Once it reaches third gear, I like the shift pattern from there on.
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Replying to: colegar (Jul 10, 2009 7:35 am) If you want better shifting for more spirited driving, put it in manual mode and have a blast!!! 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 10, 2009 7:45 am) Shouldn't it... being a higher displacement? IMO the 3.8 is behind the times... heck Yota can get over 300 with their 3.5 and Nissan is getting 330 from the 3.7. Sorry, I'll never agree the 3.8 is a better engine than Toyota's 2GR, from a refinement standpoint anyway. Oh and another slightly off topic thing about the 3.8 in my Genesis.... sounds like a freight train on startup. Its like the valves don't get oil for the first 10 seconds. Its not only me either... Dry Startup Noise
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Replying to: colegar (Jul 10, 2009 7:35 am) Zero, Jersey is ruler flat where I live. In day to day driving I notice nothing at all better in the powertrain from my '06 Avalon. The six speed shifts very similar to the 5 speed (same logic I would assume) and on the highway neither car had to downshift to speed up a little. |
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 10, 2009 7:55 am) Don't know...look at the numbers for the Nissan 3.7. It's a higher displacement than the 3.5, but lower than the 3.8 and it requires 7000 rpm for max hp and 5200 rpm for max torque. There goes your theory...WAY out the window!!! The 3.7 has higher numbers than Toyota's 3.5. Don't even know why folks are trying to compare the Toyota 3.5 to the Nissan 3.7 when Nissan employs the 3.5 in the Maxima. I mean...folks WANT to compare the Avalon to the G37, but the better comparison would be the Maxima. Anyway...you don't have to agree about which is the better engine. However, you simply can't ignore that the 3.8 is pulling around a slightly heavier car, pushing more hp, reaches max hp & torque at lower rpms and the difference in overall fuel economy is only 2 mpg ...it would seem the 3.8 is the more refined engine. Folks just want to knock it because it doesn't snap your head back when you mash the gas pedal. I think programming has more to do with that than the power of the engine. 290 hp with 263 ft/lbs of torque is indeed more than enough to snap ones head back. How do I know...the 200 hp in-line 6 that was in my 86.5 Supra was able to snap your head back on hard take-offs.  As far as the start up issue...don't know what to say about that. They must've done something different between the 3.8 in the Azreas and the 3.8 in the Genesis because I certainly don't have that issue with my Azera. Start ups are smooth and quiet.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 10, 2009 8:24 am) I'm no engine designer or claim to be... the only thing I know is that a larger displacement engine all things being equal should put out more power and tourque especially at lower RPM's. However, there is more to it than the scope of this forum thats for sure. I mean...folks WANT to compare the Avalon to the G37, but the better comparison would be the Maxima. I was comparing engines only not the cars themselves. If Toyota had put the direct injected 3.5 into the Avalon I probably wouldn't be driving a Genesis. they must've done something different between the 3.8 in the Azreas and the 3.8 in the Genesis Something has to be different, it makes slightly more power in the Genesis. Of course the power bump is so slight it could just be a different intake manifold or something.
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 10, 2009 8:37 am) I'm no engine designer either. However, everyone knows...more power doesn't always mean the faster car. Like I said before, some of the driving experience is attributed to the gearing of the transmission. I was comparing engines only not the cars themselves. If Toyota had put the direct injected 3.5 into the Avalon I probably wouldn't be driving a Genesis. Actually, depending on the application you do have to talk about the cars because the usage of the Toyota 3.5 in the Avalon isn't the same as the 3.5 in the ES350...notice the bump up in hp from 268 to 272 and the slight decrease in overall fuel economy? We won't even talk about the fact that the ES is almost 170 lbs lighter than the Genesis, but stepping to the 3.5 being used in the GS350...it's toting around a heavier car, slightly more hp than the Genesis, but the overall fuel economy is about the same. Only difference here is DI and the 6-speed tranny. If Toyota employed the same usage in the Avalon, do you really thing folks would want to buy the ES or GS350??? So once again, mechanically speaking...the Avalon better compares with the Maxima & Azera. As far as my comment in something being different between the two 3.8's, it was meant more towards the design aspect of it. They did something different in how the oil is maintained in the engine as the Azera doesn't have that dry start issue that the Genesis has. I wasn't referring the power bump...it would take more than an intake manifold to bump the hp up 27 hp.
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