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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [allmet33] by stephen987
Jul 07, 2009 (3:57 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm)

It's so hard to keep up with when a company creates vehicles and 4 of them start with MK.
 
Yeah, no kidding. Or end in TS (CTS, STS, DTS). . . at least "Genesis" is a name that means something.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [allmet33] by lilengineerboy
Jul 07, 2009 (8:11 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 07, 2009 1:29 pm)

Stephen987...you're right, please forgive me. It's so hard to keep up with when a company creates vehicles and 4 of them start with MK.
 
In a historical reference, MK stands for Mark, so they are the Mark X and Mark S...they ran out of numbers apparently.
 
Also, is it really that much harder to keep track of MK than 328i or 335i or 335D, or TSX, TL and RL, with MDX and RDX in there for good measure, or are you just complaining about vehicle names in general?
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [bobad] by lilengineerboy
Jul 07, 2009 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: bobad (Jul 07, 2009 1:27 pm)


The day Hyundai puts standard Apple products in their cars is the day they go off my shopping list. I don't want to get caught up in the special Apple this and special Apple that trap.

 
I think for the most part, that ended in 2001 when USB became common. To that end, and this unrealistic fear for all things Microsoft, a little bit of fear goes a long way. MS's main contribution was the platform, like Windows CE or "windows mobile" or whatever they call it, not necessarily the individual aps.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [lilengineerboy] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2009 (5:29 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jul 07, 2009 8:11 pm)

Also, is it really that much harder to keep track of MK than 328i or 335i or 335D, or TSX, TL and RL, with MDX and RDX in there for good measure, or are you just complaining about vehicle names in general?
 
To answer your question...yes, it is harder to keep up with the vehicle names in terms of 4 different vehicles all starting with the MK designation. Using 328, 335, etc is a bad example because they are all in the 3-Series and each one denotes the type of engine that particular model may have. MKS, MKX, MXT & MKZ are all different vehicles with two being sedans and two being crossovers. Can't imagine how they ran out of numbers when they stopped at VIII. Unless they simply skipped IX and the MKX is actually a Mark 10. I mean...X looks so much cooler than IX.
 
TSX, TL, RL, MDX & RDX are very easy to keep up with simply because the 1st two letters are pretty much different for each model.
 
Basically...Lincoln has simply shown a lack of creativity in terms of naming their current line-up. It is what it is and I made a minor faux pas in mixing up two vehicles. I'm human, it happens and I'm sure I'm not the only one to have ever made that mistake in particular with the MKS & MKZ.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [allmet33] by captain2
Jul 08, 2009 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 07, 2009 12:43 pm)

since the 2010 Taurus is pretty much still a show car, I was talking about the current 09s which are selling today even cheaper than the Azera - never mind something like the Genesis. The Taurus is also lighter by at least 100 lbs, is a bigger car than the Genesis (interior and trunk volumes) , and offers slightly better FE while still outaccelerating the Gen 3.8. While it appears that the '10 Taurus will get up near $40 large (MSRP) keep in mind that is with the 350+ hp blown EcoBoost V6, again cheaper and more economical than the Gen V8.
The 2010 Taurus appears to be more of the styling update that it needed so badly as opposed to anything earth shattering from a mechanical perspective - from a simple spec sheet comparison, it does appear that those power and styling upgrades will make it more enough to be a logical alternative that should be cheaper as well - given that Ford products have been known to be discounted even more heavily lately than even the Genesis.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [captain2] by allmet33
Jul 08, 2009 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jul 08, 2009 8:12 am)

Which Taurus is lighter, and lighter than what??? Captain my dear friend, the '09 Taurus (FWD) has a curb weight of 3741 lbs (the '10 has a curb weight of 4015 lbs.). Throw in AWD and the weight goes up and fuel economy takes a slight dip as well. The Genesis 3.8 has a curb weight of 3748 lbs. Please tell me what math you used to come up with a 100 lbs. difference? As far as intererior space, the Taurus can pull that off because it's not as padded inside as the Genesis is, but yes...the Taurus is truly cavernous inside.
 
Fuel economy between the two is pretty much dead even.
 
As far as pricing goes, the 2010 Taurus SHO with the 365 hp under the hood will be going for closer to $45k when you get done putting in the extra goodies you want. Please explain how that is cheaper than $42k for a fully loaded Genesis 4.6 w/Tech Package???
 
Pulled from the Inside Line's test between the SHO and the G37 coupe:
The base price of the all-wheel-drive 2010 Ford Taurus SHO is $37,995. Our test car carried $7,480 in options for an as-tested total of $45,475. Gulp.
 
Going with the numbers, the Taurus will hardly out-accelerate a Genesis. The Taurus reaches max hp at 6251 rpm and max torque at 4501 rpm, while the Genesis reaches max hp at 6000 rpm and max torque at 3500 rpm.
 
There's a reason why the '09 Taurus is selling cheaper than even Azeras...
 
Not quite sure what you mean by the '10 Taurus being a show car. If any Taurus is still a show car, it's the SHO model.
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The Look and Stare Factor by LASHAWN
Jul 08, 2009 (1:34 pm)
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From all the posts, owner and expert reviews and/or comments that I've read, their is more of a look and stare factor when driving a Genesis than either car it's compared to. How many times have you heard someone say "wow this is a good looking car" when talking about a BMW, MB or Lexus? Somebody let me know because I've read and heard more praise from someone saying this to someone driving a Genesis than any other car. Can't wait until I get mine.
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Re: The Look and Stare Factor [LASHAWN] by sergio19
Jul 08, 2009 (2:40 pm)
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Replying to: LASHAWN (Jul 08, 2009 1:34 pm)

LASHAWN,
 
good point!
I've had my Genesis for a little over 3 months now and I can't wait for you to get it too. You're going to love it!
FYI, I'm in awe with my car. I am in sales and have been for 25 years and I've been working on the road for 25yrs. This is by far the BEST car I have EVER driven...period! I now have 10,000KM on her already and always look forward to getting in to just drive it!
 
You'll be amazed at how many people look at the car and if they're close will actually compliment you on it.
 
It actually sickens me how much I love this car.
trust me you'll enjoy it to death! IT IS a great car!
 
Regards,
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Re: The Look and Stare Factor [LASHAWN] by toye
Jul 08, 2009 (3:33 pm)
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Replying to: LASHAWN (Jul 08, 2009 1:34 pm)

I just read an article that Genesis was 2nd place in owner satisfaction at 94 out of 100 only the Infinity G sedan was rated higher at 95.
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Re: The Look and Stare Factor [toye] by carolinabob
Jul 08, 2009 (3:47 pm)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 08, 2009 3:33 pm)

During its first two years, the Azera ranked in top two or three, maybe number one. Now it is much lower and that includes the people surveyed for 06 and 07.
    BTW, 2010 Genesis Sedan will be here 4th quarter of 2009, if they get rid of the 09's.

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