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Replying to: backy (Jul 06, 2009 9:57 am) Taurus SHO vs. G37
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 10:01 am) Personally, the value is in getting the flagship model fully loaded for a price I would pay for a fully loaded entry-level model or moderately equipped mid-level model. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:06 am) After 3 Toyota and two Avalons in particular I just wanted something different. The '09 Avalon is the same as the '06 I had. Also I wanted RWD and the only vehicles in my price range were the Infiniti G (much too small) the 300/Charger (never!), or the G8. On paper the Genesis has everything you would want and its a good car but after 2500 miles I just wouldn't put it in a class above its price. I guess my biggest argument is that everyone thinks there is no car in the Genesis's price range can compete, I just flat out disagree. While the 3.5 is more refined, the 3.8 is matching fuel economy numbers with it's "lack" of refinement. I am seeing about a 1 - 1.5 MPG drop from my Avalon. With the little bit of extra power the 3.8 has I would say its a wash in terms of FE
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:09 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 10:36 am) Now in terms of getting the RWD, there are NO cars in that price range that compete with the Genesis and give you what you get. Like you said...the G37, but it's smaller. You hardly want to step up to the GS line, that's more money. 300/Charger are options, but hardly stack up against the Genesis. Both are getting long in the tooth in regards to styling. So...while technically, there are a couple cars that can compete price-wise with the Genesis, you're comparing FWD to RWD and that changes the dynamic a bit. Folks try to use RWD as a knock against the Genesis, but do they realize how many taxi cabs in cities like New York or Chicago that go through harsh winters and are RWD??? Either a good set of snow tires or chains make a world of difference. In an area like the DC Metro...a good set of all season tires would be just fine. 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:42 am) ) before leasing my Genesis. The ES350 is nice, but small (again basically a smaller slightly nicer Avalon). My biggest requirement is it must be a full size sedan, which limits my choices quite a bit The Genesis overall is doing fine for me right now. I do like that everyone asks me what it is and that you don't see one at every corner (actually I never see any). The lease was atttractive and I am comfortable in it. I am still surprised how well it handles, I just wish the ride was a little more like my Avalon and the powertrain was a little more responsive.
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Replying to: backy (Jul 06, 2009 10:42 am) Taurus with a curb weight of 4224 lbs. will be using 263 hp to propel it, while the Genesis has a curb weight of 3748 lbs. uses 290 hp. Throw AWD in on the Taurus and the weight goes up. I really don't see the Taurus stacking up too well. Another case of American ingenuity falling short of it's foreign counterparts. Honestly...RWD could be an issue for folks that live in areas like Buffalo, Boston or places like that. Cabbies in NY, Chi-Town and cities like that have driven cars with RWD with no problems for decades. Heck, I had no problems with my 86 1/2 Supra here in the DC Metro. AWD is nice, but it comes at a cost too, more weight, lower FE, and more to maintain as well. Good snow tires or chains solve that problem. All this and the starting price of the Taurus is $2000+ more than that of the Genesis, and the MKZ is $5k+ more for a "luxury" version of the Taurus, based on Edmunds TMV pricing. Vehicle Comparo
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:42 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 10:57 am) Here's a question for you, honestly...how much more responsive do you need the powertrain to be for a full-sized luxury family sedan??? If it were listed as a "sport" sedan, I could see someone clamoring for more powertrain response, and maybe you've been spoiled by Toyota engineering. Is the Genesis really THAT lacking or are you being greedy and just want more? 
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