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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [toye] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 06, 2009 9:08 am)

Toye...one thing you gotta understand is that there are some folks that are just biased about a product and sometimes that means they must have American regardless if it is inferior to something else that's selling for the same price or slightly more.
 
Honestly, I was gung ho Toyota prior to my '02 Sonata, having had 3 Toyotas (80 Tercel, 86 1/2 Supra & 96 Camry)...all of them were solid & bullet-proof. However, it was hard to turn down a Sonata for $17,800 when Toyota wanted $23k for a comparably equipped Camry. Having owned that Sonata is what opened my eyes to the "other" options.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by tjc78
Jul 06, 2009 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 8:42 am)

However, now that Hyundai has the Genesis, Avalon lovers feel the need to use the Genesis in comparison.
 
Guess what? The Avalon is very much a competitor to the Genesis. In some ways the Avalon IS the better car. Let me explain:
 
The Avalon is roomier with a reclining rear seat and flat rear floor.
 
Toyota's 3.5 is much more refined than Hyundai's 3.8.
 
The Toyota's ride is light years ahead of the Genesis in terms of isolating the road and soaking up imperfections
 
The Avalon has just about every creature comfort that the Genesis has available.
 
Now before anyone thinks I am crazy I just came out of an '06 Avalon to a Genesis.... so I think my opinion does have some merit. The Genesis does do a lot well.
 
The handling is much better than the Avalon.
The Genesis is quieter
Fit and finish is on par or a little better than the Avalon
Interior materials are a notch above the Avalon.
 
I chose the Genesis because it was a good value, and I wanted something "different". I like it, but honestly I think that it is nothing more than a premium full size car that competes with other 35K+ sedans.... not 50K on up luxury nameplates.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [toye] by backy
Jul 06, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 06, 2009 8:48 am)

I too rented an Impala recently, for a vacation trip in central TX (no, I didn't want the Impala, but it was that or a Focus for a family of 5). It was a mid-level model with cloth, but it had some good attributes: relatively good FE (high 20s in mixed driving with my light foot), very comfortable driver's seat, powerful AC (really appreciated that), quiet and smooth highway ride, big trunk, nice trip computer. My 13 year old daughter actually liked the car, much to my surprise. But nothing close to a Genesis, or an Azera for that matter. I was thinking, for a year-old used car for $10k (yes, used Impalas are available at that price), for someone who drives a lot on the highway and likes a "traditional big-car ride", might not be a bad car. But as a new car? Nope. I'd spend the extra for a Genesis.
 
I have a feeling the new Taurus will be able to give the Genesis 3.8 a run for its money though. Have to drive the Taurus to see, but I'm impressed from what I've seen of it so far.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by tjc78
Jul 06, 2009 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 8:07 am)

in the end, you get more car for the money with the Genesis vs. the Lucerne.
 
You are right there, I was just trying to point out that no matter what the "value" is for some people the Genesis will not be the right full size car because the sportier tuned ride. As for pricing remember the Lucerne will sell for a lot less than any Genesis, especially if you figure in 0% financing the GM is clinging onto in order to move some metal.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tjc78] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 9:55 am)

It's a competitor in terms of V-6 vs. V-6. While the 3.5 is more refined, the 3.8 is matching fuel economy numbers with it's "lack" of refinement. Hmmmmmmmmm...wonder if that really bodes well for Toyota.
 
Flat floor...yes, you can get away with that in a FWD car, RWD don't really think it's workable in a car. The rear may be roomier and offers reclining seats, but with the amount of room the Genesis rear seats offers, I doubt anyone would be complaining.
 
In terms of handling, it really boils down to your taste. There are plenty of Genesis owners that love the ride as much as you love the ride in the Avalon. I tested a Genesis and found it to ride even better than my Azera.
 
It's just odd that you point out the Avalon being the much better car and yet, you chose the Genesis yourself. Funny, you don't think the Genesis should be compared with $50K cars and yet...most of the publications have and have shown the Genesis to hold it's own against them in terms of fit & finish and quality of materials.
 
I definitely applaud your leap, but I see it took the Genesis to make you take that leap. Either way, I think you'll find the experience to be rather pleasant if you remain completely honest with yourself.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [backy] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 06, 2009 9:57 am)

Take a look at the Inside Line's comparison between the Taurus SHO vs. the Infinity G37. The SHO nicely optioned will run $40k+, not sure many will bite on those numbers. An SHO pumping out 365 ponies for $45k or a Genesis pumping out 368 ponies for $42k fully loaded. Regardless of what is thought, the Taurus is indeed the best Taurus Ford has produced to this point.
 
Taurus SHO vs. G37
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tjc78] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (10:34 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 10:01 am)

You know what's funny about what you said though, in terms of the Genesis maybe not being the right full sized sedan for some...you find those very people then looking at the G37, TL and the ES350. None of which are full sized sedans. The initial look is at the Genesis because it fits the price range they are shopping, but to get a car by another make for that same price...you step down to the lower models.
 
Personally, the value is in getting the flagship model fully loaded for a price I would pay for a fully loaded entry-level model or moderately equipped mid-level model.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by tjc78
Jul 06, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:06 am)

It's just odd that you point out the Avalon being the much better car and yet, you chose the Genesis yourself
 
After 3 Toyota and two Avalons in particular I just wanted something different. The '09 Avalon is the same as the '06 I had. Also I wanted RWD and the only vehicles in my price range were the Infiniti G (much too small) the 300/Charger (never!), or the G8. On paper the Genesis has everything you would want and its a good car but after 2500 miles I just wouldn't put it in a class above its price. I guess my biggest argument is that everyone thinks there is no car in the Genesis's price range can compete, I just flat out disagree.
 
While the 3.5 is more refined, the 3.8 is matching fuel economy numbers with it's "lack" of refinement.
 
I am seeing about a 1 - 1.5 MPG drop from my Avalon. With the little bit of extra power the 3.8 has I would say its a wash in terms of FE
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [allmet33] by backy
Jul 06, 2009 (10:42 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 10:09 am)

As I said, I think the Taurus (not SHO) will stack up well against the Genesis 3.8. The Taurus has features the Genesis does not and either FWD or AWD, which many folks prefer over RWD.

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