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Re: August Automobile Magazine [backy] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (8:42 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 06, 2009 8:32 am)

Backy...you're absolutely right. Funny how Toyota lovers couldn't stand the fact that the Azera was being compared to the Avalon. Even though there are features on the Avalon not found on an Azera, it can still be VERY comparable. However, now that Hyundai has the Genesis, Avalon lovers feel the need to use the Genesis in comparison. I mean...if they MUST have their beloved Avalon compared to a Hyundai, it MUST be the one that won North American Car of the Year! The Genesis is a luxury sedan, the Avalon...entry level luxury just like the Azera. And please (Avalon lovers), don't jump out there with the belief that the Avalon is more luxury because the ES 350 is entry-level luxury as well and the Avalon is a notch below the ES. And please, this is not a knock against the Avalon either...just pointing out fact.
 
When it comes to the "bang for buck" approach, the Hyundai will almost always win when compared to vehicles of similarity. Not what many want to hear, but it's the reality of it. Folks just need to learn to accept the fact that what any other maker will give you in a car, Hyundai will give you that and a little more...for a little less. I mean...what other car maker can give you a car that's the size of a 7-Series, with everything a 5-Series offers...for the price of a 3-Series???
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rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis by toye
Jul 06, 2009 (8:48 am)
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I just got back from a vacation and I rented a 09 Impala, leather, top of the line.that goes for 30k. Although it looked good from the outside, good power, and 30 MPG on the highway. The rest of the car is subpar. The seats weren't comfortable, leather looked cheap. The layout of the inside was not desirable. Cheap plastics, descent room in the back but no adjusable headrests, and uncomfortable seating. Thought I was in a 20K car but was shocked to see it go for 30k. Driving was very soft and floaty. Stereo was below average
 
Bottom line if you are looking at a 30K automobile spend an additional 3k and get the base Genesis!! If this is what Detroit has to offer at 30K wow what a disappointment. They need to step up to the plate if they are going to compete with Asia or Europe
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [toye] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (8:56 am)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 06, 2009 8:48 am)

Sorry, but the Impala (like the Lucerne) is another car that just doesn't belong in a comparison with the Genesis. At best...the Sonata, Camry & Altima, however...it'll come up short in performace to all. Always has, always will. I would easily take a base model Genesis over a top of the line Impala SS even.
 
Funny...a co-worker was doing that very thing. He wants performance, but he's always looking at cars like the Lucerne, Impala and such...American cars. Then he always brings up how it stacks up against my Azera and the one thing I point out is that it always takes an American V-8 to hang with a foreign V-6 (with the exception of the V-6 in the CTI or the new 3.5 twin-turbo that will be in the Taurus SHO. That's just from a performance standpoint.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [allmet33] by toye
Jul 06, 2009 (9:08 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 8:56 am)

Oh I know that the impala doesn't compare with a Genesis period. When I found out that I would be getting the newly designed 2009 Impala with only 1500 miles on I was expecting more. It should have compared favorably to the Azera.
 
But to think people are willing to spend 30k for such a sub par vehicle when there so much better product out there is beyond me.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [toye] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 06, 2009 9:08 am)

Toye...one thing you gotta understand is that there are some folks that are just biased about a product and sometimes that means they must have American regardless if it is inferior to something else that's selling for the same price or slightly more.
 
Honestly, I was gung ho Toyota prior to my '02 Sonata, having had 3 Toyotas (80 Tercel, 86 1/2 Supra & 96 Camry)...all of them were solid & bullet-proof. However, it was hard to turn down a Sonata for $17,800 when Toyota wanted $23k for a comparably equipped Camry. Having owned that Sonata is what opened my eyes to the "other" options.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by tjc78
Jul 06, 2009 (9:55 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 8:42 am)

However, now that Hyundai has the Genesis, Avalon lovers feel the need to use the Genesis in comparison.
 
Guess what? The Avalon is very much a competitor to the Genesis. In some ways the Avalon IS the better car. Let me explain:
 
The Avalon is roomier with a reclining rear seat and flat rear floor.
 
Toyota's 3.5 is much more refined than Hyundai's 3.8.
 
The Toyota's ride is light years ahead of the Genesis in terms of isolating the road and soaking up imperfections
 
The Avalon has just about every creature comfort that the Genesis has available.
 
Now before anyone thinks I am crazy I just came out of an '06 Avalon to a Genesis.... so I think my opinion does have some merit. The Genesis does do a lot well.
 
The handling is much better than the Avalon.
The Genesis is quieter
Fit and finish is on par or a little better than the Avalon
Interior materials are a notch above the Avalon.
 
I chose the Genesis because it was a good value, and I wanted something "different". I like it, but honestly I think that it is nothing more than a premium full size car that competes with other 35K+ sedans.... not 50K on up luxury nameplates.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [toye] by backy
Jul 06, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: toye (Jul 06, 2009 8:48 am)

I too rented an Impala recently, for a vacation trip in central TX (no, I didn't want the Impala, but it was that or a Focus for a family of 5). It was a mid-level model with cloth, but it had some good attributes: relatively good FE (high 20s in mixed driving with my light foot), very comfortable driver's seat, powerful AC (really appreciated that), quiet and smooth highway ride, big trunk, nice trip computer. My 13 year old daughter actually liked the car, much to my surprise. But nothing close to a Genesis, or an Azera for that matter. I was thinking, for a year-old used car for $10k (yes, used Impalas are available at that price), for someone who drives a lot on the highway and likes a "traditional big-car ride", might not be a bad car. But as a new car? Nope. I'd spend the extra for a Genesis.
 
I have a feeling the new Taurus will be able to give the Genesis 3.8 a run for its money though. Have to drive the Taurus to see, but I'm impressed from what I've seen of it so far.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by tjc78
Jul 06, 2009 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 06, 2009 8:07 am)

in the end, you get more car for the money with the Genesis vs. the Lucerne.
 
You are right there, I was just trying to point out that no matter what the "value" is for some people the Genesis will not be the right full size car because the sportier tuned ride. As for pricing remember the Lucerne will sell for a lot less than any Genesis, especially if you figure in 0% financing the GM is clinging onto in order to move some metal.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tjc78] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (10:06 am)
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Replying to: tjc78 (Jul 06, 2009 9:55 am)

It's a competitor in terms of V-6 vs. V-6. While the 3.5 is more refined, the 3.8 is matching fuel economy numbers with it's "lack" of refinement. Hmmmmmmmmm...wonder if that really bodes well for Toyota.
 
Flat floor...yes, you can get away with that in a FWD car, RWD don't really think it's workable in a car. The rear may be roomier and offers reclining seats, but with the amount of room the Genesis rear seats offers, I doubt anyone would be complaining.
 
In terms of handling, it really boils down to your taste. There are plenty of Genesis owners that love the ride as much as you love the ride in the Avalon. I tested a Genesis and found it to ride even better than my Azera.
 
It's just odd that you point out the Avalon being the much better car and yet, you chose the Genesis yourself. Funny, you don't think the Genesis should be compared with $50K cars and yet...most of the publications have and have shown the Genesis to hold it's own against them in terms of fit & finish and quality of materials.
 
I definitely applaud your leap, but I see it took the Genesis to make you take that leap. Either way, I think you'll find the experience to be rather pleasant if you remain completely honest with yourself.
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Re: rented a 30K 2009 impala / no comparison to Genesis [backy] by allmet33
Jul 06, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 06, 2009 9:57 am)

Take a look at the Inside Line's comparison between the Taurus SHO vs. the Infinity G37. The SHO nicely optioned will run $40k+, not sure many will bite on those numbers. An SHO pumping out 365 ponies for $45k or a Genesis pumping out 368 ponies for $42k fully loaded. Regardless of what is thought, the Taurus is indeed the best Taurus Ford has produced to this point.
 
Taurus SHO vs. G37

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