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Re: August Automobile Magazine [lilengineerboy] by tonycd
Jun 30, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 29, 2009 7:43 pm)

"Is it sad that I prefer spending time behind the wheel of our Genesis 4.6 more than I do our 750Li? People can't believe I'd think such a thing, but I can't get over the artificial feel of the BMW, which is supposed to be a 'driving machine'."
  
I don't know what he was expecting. It should be more fun to pilot a sport sedan than a land barge. Somewhat akin to saying I prefer the feel of the Mustang to the Town Car...

 
Not so fast, lilengineerboy. The numbers don't lie. Even the long-wheelbase Li version of the 750 is less than 10 inches longer than the Genesis 4.6, and weighs only 305 pounds more. That's not enough difference to hang any heavy excuses on.
 
One other number needs mentioning here, too: the BMW's BASE price of $84,200, which is more than twice the $42,000 tab for a Genesis with the full boat of options. That amount of money is supposed to buy you the exotic materials and sophisticated engineering to free you from compromises such as "boat-like" road manners.
 
One thing is for sure: if history is any guide, the extra money certainly doesn't buy you greater reliability. Other than the Hyundai's regrettable fake wood, in fact, I'm not sure just what great dimension of superiority there is.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tonycd] by minivanguy
Jun 30, 2009 (8:05 pm)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jun 30, 2009 3:16 pm)

Are you referring to the fake wood in the lower end hyundai models?
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tonycd] by fedlawman
Jun 30, 2009 (9:13 pm)
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Replying to: tonycd (Jun 30, 2009 3:16 pm)

Why stop at the BMW 750?
 
The Genesis is almost as fast and handles almost as well as a Bentley Continental Flying Spur - and the Bentley costs $240,000! The Bentley also gets horrible gas mileage and isn't as reliable.
 
Other than the real wood trim, I can't see any reason to spend the extra $200,000 for the Bentley. The Genesis is, in many ways, a better car!
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [fedlawman] by bobad
Jul 01, 2009 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 30, 2009 9:13 pm)

Well,,, I guess every car is better than all other cars in some way.
 
But your statement clearly issustrates diminishing returns in ever more expensive cars.
 
A $30K car should be much better than a $15K car, and it is. An $80K car should be much better in many ways than a $40K car, but it isn't. Somewhere, there is a magic price range where extra quality and features for your dollar start falling off rapidly. I think it's somewhere between $30 and $40K.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [tenpin288] by tenpin288
Jul 01, 2009 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: tenpin288 (Jun 29, 2009 3:59 pm)

Since "bob" seems to be MIA or does not want to post the info I asked for, I will. I just received the Automobile issue he quoted from and there are only two comments in this long-term update he references. Here is the other:
 
7224 miles: Question of the month: Hyundai Genesis or Jaguar XF? "Call me crazy, but I'd sooner plop down my own money for a Genesis than an XF," says Floraday. "The Genesis doesn't ride or handle as well, but it's been bulletproof and costs half as much."
 
This and the quote referenced by "bob" are the only updates to Automobile's long term test this month. Hardly something to either cause condemnation or praise to be heaped on the Genesis.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [fedlawman] by kdshapiro
Jul 01, 2009 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Jun 30, 2009 9:13 pm)

The Bently has a top speed of 202 mph and a 0 to 60 of 4.3. Of course 6 seconds is kind of in the neighboorhood of 4.3 if your spending 200K large. The 750i hits 60 south of 4.9 and the engineering is impeccable. Of course for 90K large it should be like that.
 
A Subaru WRX STI can hit 60 in 4.8. Of course it's not a large sedan, but can go where all of these other boats can't. Performance is just one measure of a cars worth.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [kdshapiro] by allmet33
Jul 01, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jul 01, 2009 9:39 am)

Road & Track published that the Genesis 4.6 runs 0-60 in 5.5 seconds...6/10's of a second behind a car costing twice as much??? I can save $40k+ and live with being .6 seconds slower than a 7 series!!!
 
No way to really tell what the top speed on the Genesis is, because it's electronically limited to 149 mph (which my Azera is capable of getting close to that...around 145 I believe). The 750i is limited to 155 mph...again, another difference I can save $40k+ and live with. I'm sure if the limiter were removed, it (the Genesis) would probably be capable of running between 175-190, considering it has more than 100 hp more than my Azera.
 
Genesis 4.6
 
There are features that you can get on the 7-Series that Hyundai hasn't even considered to this point. Night Vision w/ Pedestrian Recognition, HUD, Lane Departure Warning System, Active 4 Wheel Steering...
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [allmet33] by backy
Jul 01, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jul 01, 2009 10:52 am)

Heck, I have a lane departure warning system and it's free. It's called "my wife": "OMG, you are too close to the curb/centerline!"
 
I know Hyundais sold in the ROK have features not available on US-spec cars. For example, the Gen 4 Sonata has an active geometry control system available in the ROK. So I wonder what toys come on the Genesis elsewhere but not here?
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [backy] by allmet33
Jul 01, 2009 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jul 01, 2009 12:52 pm)

Backy...okay, you got me sitting in my office laughing so hard folks think I'm crazy! ROTFL I guess since you put it that way, there's a lot of us that have that feature and it's not brand specific either!
 
You're right, it seems the hometown versions of the vehicles get features & "toys" we aren't privvy to here on this side of the pond.
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Re: August Automobile Magazine [bobad] by fedlawman
Jul 01, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: bobad (Jul 01, 2009 7:19 am)

"Somewhere, there is a magic price range where extra quality and features for your dollar start falling off rapidly. I think it's somewhere between $30 and $40K."
 
I agree completely. $30K seems to be the magic number.

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