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Replying to: colloquor (Jun 25, 2009 3:47 pm) |
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 25, 2009 1:41 pm) Don't try and change it up...your statement was that the car needed to be sold for a premium price in order for it to better the Hyundai name. Of course I nkow anything CAN be sold for more than what the mfgr is asking. However, the issue is the current status of economic times. That is why it's hard to believe that a dealer would be putting that kind of mark up on a Genesis. Captain, you already put your foot in your mouth by saying Hyundai shoppers don't have a clue. Quit while you're ahead. 
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Replying to: backy (Jun 25, 2009 3:30 pm) no you missed my point completely, I am one of those few that DO understand ADM and indeed have paid it on more than one occassion. Call it the curse of the car nut - I'm always seeming to want the cars that are in high demand. Even one of my last purchases, the 05 Avalon I still drive, was only available with $3k+ dealer/distributor add-ons packages that were essentially worthless when I bought it. There are a number of ways for a dealer to pump his profits, it is not limited to simply adding something to the window sticker and they all will do it if they can. The whole concept of the Genesis being sold at a premium is an interesting one to me because one one hand: it is a car that has enough content that it could conceivably justify it - but on the other hand, it is a Hyundai, a brand where such things do not happen. Despite allmet's protestations, it is a good thing for Hyundai that they finally have a vehicle that can command a premium - down the raod it might mean a few hundred bucks more on his Azera trade-in. I've actually had a couple of other experiences at Hyundai dealers, one several years ago looking over the Sonata vs. the Altima 3.5 I eventually bought - I'm sorry the 03 Sonata was an anemic POS comparatively - although it was definitely cheaper. The other more recent was looking at the Santa Fe - and it was OK, although the sticker in the high 20s left me wondering 'who are they kidding'. I thought it seriously overpriced. I am batting zero though - in any effort to find anybody at a Hyundai dealer that knows squat.  and simply can't imagine why Hyundai would allow those folks like I've encountered try to sell something like the Genesis.
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Captain, I'm not quite sure why you are placing so much value (good or bad) on the sales staff to begin with. I haven't spoken to a showroom sales person in years other than to come along for the test drive. When I go in to look at the car, I know as much or more than anyone on site. I test drive wherever convenient, make it abundantly clear that I'm just testing and not ready to buy, then do my comparison shopping, and deal exclusively with the internet sales manager when making my purchase. So they have a 20+ year old who doesn't have every car on the lot memorized. Who cares? You either like the car or you don't, you either like the price or you don't.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 26, 2009 6:29 am) You keep saying that. You obviously know little or nothing about what prices dealers have charged over the years for Hyundais, so why do you keep harping on this point, on which you are dead wrong? Can we start talking more about the Genesis sedan vs. your disbelief that a Hyundai dealer can and does try to charge more than MSRP for their cars--Genesis et. al.? |
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Replying to: poodog13 (Jun 26, 2009 7:00 am) actually, I do my best to avoid them and to avoid the whole 'negotiation' process altogether. It turns out the Internet is a powerful tool for both pricing and actually buying. Going out and test driving something is altogether different though, also the curse of a car nut - and is where I have found the astounding lack of professionalism and knowledge at my local Hyundai dealers (there are several) quite annoying. That said, if I would have wanted to get serious about that Azera, Sonata, or Santa Fe that I was looking at, I would also be doing my best to avoid the dealer (and his 20 year old newbies) altogether. And yes, this applies to all car dealers - not just the ones that happen to sell Korean cars. Toyota and Honda dealers have this 'let me do you a favor and take your money attitude' that drives me nuts as well, but I still bought the Avalon, for example, with about $3 grand of ADM on top of MSRP And the last time I was in a Honda dealership (because my wife thought she wanted a Fit) they unabashedly put a $1500.00 'market adjustment' on the price and then they told me they 'might' 'do me a favor' and reduce the ADM to a mere grand - gee thanks. But at least the sales idiot that was making these astounding concessions, knew about what he was selling.
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Replying to: backy (Jun 26, 2009 7:20 am) fine, backy, then you tell me about any case, in the space of the 25 years or so that Hyundai has been selling cars in this country that ANY Hyundai product has even sold at MSRP, never mind with something added to it. What's that, you can't can you? 
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Replying to: captain2 (Jun 26, 2009 7:41 am)
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Replying to: kenb757 (Jun 26, 2009 8:35 am)  Your stock 'broker' parallel is a good one, because as I said, it was at the Hyundai dealers that it occurred to me that Hyundai didn't want its salespeople to know anything either, knowing apparently that it is easy to 'sell' price. |
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Replying to: kenb757 (Jun 26, 2009 8:35 am) MIKLO |
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