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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 8:46 am) basically yes, but you don't seem to understand why. IT is the fact that BMW doesn't produce any car intended for the masses (like the Corolla) and does generally bless all its cars with a degree of engineering acumen and sophistication not found elsewhere that qualifies even the lowest trim 1 series as a 'luxury car'. Nothing to do with smelly leather, quiet boulevard rides, fancy arss steros systems etc. etc. This, perhaps more than anything else, is what differentiates the true 'luxury car' mfgrs. from the Chevys, the Fords, the Toyotas, the Hyundais etc etc. of the world Would a 135 with roll-up windows still be a luxury car, certainly, but only because the manufacturer would not allow it any other way.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 9:31 am) How so my dear Captain...because of price? Well then, the Genesis isn't intended for the masses then is it? And yet with all the engineering acumen & sophistication that Acura puts into their cars, they aren't considered luxury with the likes of Lexus and Infinity. What gives? 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 9:07 am) At least in this article, CR's classifications do seem to define 'luxury' as something north of $50k. How else would you explain the exclusion of the MKS (at a mere $41k) from the 'luxury' ranks, but include the DTS (another rebadge job) , for example, at 50?. Maybe you don't agree with the Genesis and/or cars like the MKS being classified as 'merely' upscale, but we really are only talking about perceptions here and not doodads.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 9:59 am) If you try to go along with the CR classification, then it blows the point you made about the BMW 1-Series being a luxury car...doesn't it? Let's take a look at the word "upscale". By definition... relating to, being, or appealing to affluent consumers ; also : of a superior quality.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 9:43 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 10:19 am) Just admit that you're a hater, simple and clear. You have already admitted that you haven't spent any time IN a Genesis. You claim it can't be luxury unless it's $50K+, but only after you read some CR report. Yet before that, you were quick to claim the BMW 1-Series a luxury car. I think you make statements just for the sake of being controversial, but the problem is...you're the only one making the statements. I mean, it would be different if others shared your point of view, but so far...none have. That in itself should tell YOU something. CR is hardly the authority of what is luxury and what isn't. They simply tell you if you're getting a good/bad car for your money. As I said earlier, your a hater and your favorite flavor of Hater-ade...Hyundai! 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 10:08 am) Tell somebody you bought a BMW for 50 or 60 large and folks understand you have spent a lot of (or even too much) money for something that is likely the one of the best. Same can be said for Lexus, Infiniti, and MB to slightly lesser degrees. Tell them you spent 15 or 20 grand less than that on a Hyundai then they think you should be committed. That is a unfortunate (and probably unfair) reality, without spending a whole lot of time needlessly looking things up in Webster's.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 10:28 am) Infiniti G35 Lexus ES and IS Acura TL Cadillac CTS BMW 3-Series MB C Class Lincoln MKZ and of course now the Genesis. CR groups cars for comparison based on price. Not whether they are "luxury" cars or not.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 10:40 am) The people who would tell me that would not be my friends or people I respect, so I wouldn't care about their opinion anyway. Now, if those folks want to make up the difference in price for me so that I can have a "real" luxury car experience that they won't turn up their noses at, great, I'll take their money. Otherwise it's none of their business what I choose to drive, just as it's none of my business what they choose to drive.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 10:40 am) Ahhhhh, but without a clear cut definition of the word...you wouldn't know where to begin. The definition is the foundation upon which the perception is built my friend. Now you jump from using the 1-Series as your example and jump up to talking about BMW's costing $50K plus. Make up your mind! I'll give you this much, a neighbor may question why you paid $40K for a Hyundai...until they actually get in it and either drive it or get a ride in it. Then they'll be more like, "Wow...you got all that for $40K!!!" Obviously with the sales of the Genesis keeping up with mid-level premium brand entries, one wouldn't think purchasing one would equate to being committed. There have been plenty that have questioned it...that is until they actually go and sit in a Genesis and take it for a ride. There are postings in the Genesis review section on Edmunds where folks initially didn't have the Genesis on their list until someone told them they need to check it out and some even end up purchasing one even though it wasn't their initial target. |
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