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5671 messages, Last post on Nov 21, 2009 at 12:46 PM
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 30, 2008 2:37 pm) By definition, luxury is a condition of abundance or great ease and comfort. Something adding to the pleasure or comfort but not absolutely necessary. Luxrious, by definition is marked by or given to self-indulgence. Of, relating to or marked by LUXURY. Which...according to the definitions of those two words, the Genesis certainly fits. Even though it's made by...HYUNDAI!!!  So...now you're saying if BMW produced a car similar to a base model Corolla...it would be a luxury car just because it has BMW on it? ROTFL I'm sorry, but THAT is hilarious. If you can't tell if a car is a luxury car without knowing who made it, then maybe you need to turn in your car junkie credentials because it they are going to waste!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 8:46 am) maybe so - but in that case I'm not the only one - in that quite favorable review of the Genesis in the latest CR the Genesis is grouped with 'upscale cars' like the Avalon, Azera, Lucerne etc. NOT as a 'luxury sedan' . This despite the review itself talking a whole bunch about how 'luxurious' the Genesis actually is. Obviously has a whole lot to do with price and the badge. You can rail on all you want about the all the available doodads but IF the Genesis is ever going to graduate into that 'luxury' league it does need a higher price and a new place to be sold. And you are right - this whole perception thing has little to do with the inherent qualities of any particular car. Never has, likely never will
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 8:59 am) Now you're back-tracking because the IS, ES, 3-Series (some), C-Class, G's and such cars all cost less than the Genesis, so none of them can be luxury cars based on what you said. So now...if the Genesis cost $50K, THEN and only then could it be a luxury car! Dude...it's like you're treading water with your hands & feet tied together!
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 8:46 am) basically yes, but you don't seem to understand why. IT is the fact that BMW doesn't produce any car intended for the masses (like the Corolla) and does generally bless all its cars with a degree of engineering acumen and sophistication not found elsewhere that qualifies even the lowest trim 1 series as a 'luxury car'. Nothing to do with smelly leather, quiet boulevard rides, fancy arss steros systems etc. etc. This, perhaps more than anything else, is what differentiates the true 'luxury car' mfgrs. from the Chevys, the Fords, the Toyotas, the Hyundais etc etc. of the world Would a 135 with roll-up windows still be a luxury car, certainly, but only because the manufacturer would not allow it any other way.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 9:31 am) How so my dear Captain...because of price? Well then, the Genesis isn't intended for the masses then is it? And yet with all the engineering acumen & sophistication that Acura puts into their cars, they aren't considered luxury with the likes of Lexus and Infinity. What gives? 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 9:07 am) At least in this article, CR's classifications do seem to define 'luxury' as something north of $50k. How else would you explain the exclusion of the MKS (at a mere $41k) from the 'luxury' ranks, but include the DTS (another rebadge job) , for example, at 50?. Maybe you don't agree with the Genesis and/or cars like the MKS being classified as 'merely' upscale, but we really are only talking about perceptions here and not doodads.
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 9:59 am) If you try to go along with the CR classification, then it blows the point you made about the BMW 1-Series being a luxury car...doesn't it? Let's take a look at the word "upscale". By definition... relating to, being, or appealing to affluent consumers ; also : of a superior quality.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 9:43 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Jan 05, 2009 10:19 am) Just admit that you're a hater, simple and clear. You have already admitted that you haven't spent any time IN a Genesis. You claim it can't be luxury unless it's $50K+, but only after you read some CR report. Yet before that, you were quick to claim the BMW 1-Series a luxury car. I think you make statements just for the sake of being controversial, but the problem is...you're the only one making the statements. I mean, it would be different if others shared your point of view, but so far...none have. That in itself should tell YOU something. CR is hardly the authority of what is luxury and what isn't. They simply tell you if you're getting a good/bad car for your money. As I said earlier, your a hater and your favorite flavor of Hater-ade...Hyundai! 
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 10:08 am) Tell somebody you bought a BMW for 50 or 60 large and folks understand you have spent a lot of (or even too much) money for something that is likely the one of the best. Same can be said for Lexus, Infiniti, and MB to slightly lesser degrees. Tell them you spent 15 or 20 grand less than that on a Hyundai then they think you should be committed. That is a unfortunate (and probably unfair) reality, without spending a whole lot of time needlessly looking things up in Webster's.
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