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5692 messages, Last post on Nov 25, 2009 at 6:02 AM
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 30, 2008 11:09 am) Here's a spy shot of one being tested...notice the Genesis wheels! 
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Replying to: zone4 (Dec 29, 2008 6:35 pm) almost certainly, the only difference being that BMW/MB and the like have no interest is being any kind of value leader, they simply want to be the best |
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almost certainly, the only difference being that BMW/MB and the like have no interest is being any kind of value leader, they simply want to be the best The funny thing here is...if you were to go over to Europe, they treat MB's and BMW's just like we treat the Avalon, Maxima, Azera, Camry and Accord...like everyday cars that aren't that special. Just because Hyundai may be a value based company when it comes to the auto industry, that doesn't mean they don't strive to be the best. If that's the case, they wouldn't bother with making the strides they've made. Here's the kicker though...if you were presented a Genesis with no badging to indicate that it was made by Hyundai, you would have no problems saying and accepting the car as a luxury sedan. You have qualified that repeatedly by saying that it's not a luxury car because of the italic "H" on the trunk. Bottom line is...the car itself (which is what we've been discussing) IS a luxury sedan...it just happens to be made by a non-luxury company. You know...I've come to the realization that Hyundai isn't for those stuck in their preconceived ways of how things should be. Hyundai is as progressive a company as you can find and put an exclamation point on that by creating the Genesis and marketing under the Hyundai brand. As hard as it is for you to accept, it would seem that there are quite a few premium car owners that buy into it as well as witnessed by those that have traded BMW's, MB's, Lexus & Infiniti's in for a Genesis, or the ones that were shopping the mid-level premium sedans adding the Genesis to their shopping list, and even the ones that initially wanted a GS, M, E-Class or 5-Series actually buying a Genesis because they get a high level of luxury compared to the price they would have paid for the premium sedan. The savings coupled with what the Genesis offers as a car must be enough to sway those folks. Heck...Hyundai is doing something right if the Genesis sales are keeping up with the premium sedans that it compares to...don't ya think? 
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 30, 2008 12:15 pm) This is a truly ignorant statement. Rolls Royca and Lambo don't have any interest in being a value leader. BMW and MB have a huge commitment to being a value leader. The 1 and 3 series and C-Class are a testament to that and they directly compete against this Hyundai.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 30, 2008 1:09 pm) yep - and in Hong Kong - MBs are - taxicabs to quote a poster 'bodad' on the 'is there room for Hyundai' forum and in response to questions about what a luxury car is, a nice summary: "'A. To some, it's a car that most people can't afford. B. To some, it's a car that has top of the line quality, comfort, power, and features C. To some, it's a car with an exclusive luxury badge regardless of price or quality. " Choice B would be for those doodad freaks that feel a luxurious car and a luxury car are the same thing - Choice C for all the 'brand snobs' out there., Choice A is interesting as it implies (and requires) a certain level of exclusivity. But, in any case, the Genesis comes up Aces in one of the 3 qualifications and fails in the other two. Give me an appropriately butt kissing 'Genesis' dealer., a price perhaps $10k or $15k MORE than what it is, then I give you a true luxury car, that appears to need nothing more than some suspension tuning and refinement to be truly competitive to those German and Japanese cars that Hyundai would like to to be.
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Replying to: madoka (Dec 30, 2008 1:35 pm) the 1, 3 and C are all 'entry level', only a means to get more American butts in their productss and compete with something like a Genesis only in their price. Have you ever driven a 135 - perhaps THE definition of what a 'sports sedan' should be', and it is tiny and anything but luxurious - quite the opposite of the Genesis. Although I'm sure there are a few exceptions, I sincerely doubt that anybody in Bavaria or Stuttgart is really giving the Genesis anything more than a passing glimpse. This may indeed be a big mistake on their part, it was in 1989 when they dismissed the LS also pretty much out of context. Nonetheless, the day that the buyer of the the big genuine luxury sedans like the A6/A8, the E and Ss, the GS and LSs, the 5s and 7s, the Ms etc. start flocking to the Hyundai dealer because they feel it is a better car (or at least a comparable one) is the day that the Genesis is competing with the 'big boys'.
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 30, 2008 2:18 pm) Ahhhhhhhhhhh...but dear Captain, in your words...the 135 is automatically a luxury vehicle simply because it's made by BMW. So see...a luxury nameplate can make a car that doesn't even meet the standards of luxurious and it's okay, but a non-luxury nameplate making a luxury vehicle is impossible, right? LMAO Keep trying. |
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 30, 2008 1:43 pm) Like I said...IF you were presented a Genesis with no way of knowing it was made by Hyundai, I guarantee you would be calling it a luxury sedan.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 30, 2008 2:28 pm) A BMW branded product can be 'luxury' with rollup windows - very few marques can make that claim. And no I could not tell you if any car was truly a luxury car WITHOUT knowing who made it.
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