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Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009-

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Re: Comparing several . . [donna388] by rlejr66
Dec 29, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: donna388 (Dec 29, 2008 11:59 am)

Just saw the CR article. A little surprised with some of the comparison vehicles. A Maxima and a G8? I guess "high end luxury sedan" can mean just about anything these days. Especially when everyone else is comparing the Genesis to BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus. Looks like the car geeks are having a hard time placing the Genesis in any particular segment. In the end, the Genesis still gets the thumbs up! No matter what the competition is.
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Re: Comparing several . . [rlejr66] by backy
Dec 29, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: rlejr66 (Dec 29, 2008 6:57 pm)

CR compared the Genesis to the Maxima and G8 because they hadn't been tested by CR yet, so they were lumped in with the Genesis to make a test group for an article. In actuality, CR compared the Genesis against ALL vehicles in its price class, most of which they have already tested. That is how CR groups cars, by price and type (sedan, SUV etc.). Since the 3 cars are similar in price, they get lumped together for rating purposes.
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Re: Comparing several . . [rlejr66] by blnewto
Dec 30, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: rlejr66 (Dec 29, 2008 6:57 pm)

Looks like the car geeks are having a hard time placing the Genesis in any particular segment
 
Because the Gen has it's own class "Bargain Luxury", entry-level luxury may apply, but that's usually smaller cars such as BMW3, Infinity G, Lexus IS, etc. And although they're all great cars they're not a bargain. Not sure where else you'd place the vehicle~how 'bout "entry level large bargain luxury"
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Re: Comparing several . . [blnewto] by allmet33
Dec 30, 2008 (6:44 am)
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Replying to: blnewto (Dec 30, 2008 6:37 am)

Curious to know...what would make the Genesis "entry level"? If you use base that off the 3-Series, ES, G and C-Class...the Genesis definitely offers more. I certainly agree with you on the bargain point...you can pretty much get any of the premium entry level models fully loaded and pay what you would for a fully loaded Genesis 4.6 for maybe a couple thousand more.
 
Well...pretty soon, the Genesis will have a brother on the market. Kia will be bringing their version based on the next generation Azera platform. So far it's called the VG.
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Re: Comparing several . . [allmet33] by joe97
Dec 30, 2008 (11:09 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 30, 2008 6:44 am)

The Kia "VG" wouldn't be the brother of the Genesis, but the Azera.
 
It probably would have some name other than Amanti - VG is the codename used internally.
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Re: Comparing several . . [joe97] by allmet33
Dec 30, 2008 (11:17 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 30, 2008 11:09 am)

So basically...the VG will be replacing the Amanti then, right? From what I'm seeing, the VG will be longer and wider than the current Amanti which would make it bigger than the Azera...like the Genesis. What gives?
 
Here's a spy shot of one being tested...notice the Genesis wheels!
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Re: [zone4] by captain2
Dec 30, 2008 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: zone4 (Dec 29, 2008 6:35 pm)

So if the Genesis was made by BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, or Infinity would it then be considered a luxury vehicle?
almost certainly, the only difference being that BMW/MB and the like have no interest is being any kind of value leader, they simply want to be the best
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by allmet33
Dec 30, 2008 (1:09 pm)
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almost certainly, the only difference being that BMW/MB and the like have no interest is being any kind of value leader, they simply want to be the best
 
The funny thing here is...if you were to go over to Europe, they treat MB's and BMW's just like we treat the Avalon, Maxima, Azera, Camry and Accord...like everyday cars that aren't that special. Just because Hyundai may be a value based company when it comes to the auto industry, that doesn't mean they don't strive to be the best. If that's the case, they wouldn't bother with making the strides they've made.
 
Here's the kicker though...if you were presented a Genesis with no badging to indicate that it was made by Hyundai, you would have no problems saying and accepting the car as a luxury sedan. You have qualified that repeatedly by saying that it's not a luxury car because of the italic "H" on the trunk. Bottom line is...the car itself (which is what we've been discussing) IS a luxury sedan...it just happens to be made by a non-luxury company.
 
You know...I've come to the realization that Hyundai isn't for those stuck in their preconceived ways of how things should be. Hyundai is as progressive a company as you can find and put an exclamation point on that by creating the Genesis and marketing under the Hyundai brand. As hard as it is for you to accept, it would seem that there are quite a few premium car owners that buy into it as well as witnessed by those that have traded BMW's, MB's, Lexus & Infiniti's in for a Genesis, or the ones that were shopping the mid-level premium sedans adding the Genesis to their shopping list, and even the ones that initially wanted a GS, M, E-Class or 5-Series actually buying a Genesis because they get a high level of luxury compared to the price they would have paid for the premium sedan. The savings coupled with what the Genesis offers as a car must be enough to sway those folks. Heck...Hyundai is doing something right if the Genesis sales are keeping up with the premium sedans that it compares to...don't ya think?

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