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by captain2
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Dec 29, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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It's just so sad that you believe luxury cars can only come from Europe or Japan
no, the CTS and STS are the only remaining 'American' luxury cars IMO, the DTS and the Escalade definitely are not. Lincoln since it no longer makes anything unique doesn't pass muster anymore, the Genesis blew it's chance to be a 'luxury' anything when the decision was made to try to sell it at Hyundai dealers.
If 'Genesis' was a brand, marketed independently, the first Genesis car, as we now know it, might easily have become a new entrant in the luxury car ranks. Kind of shallow, these perceptions, aren't they?
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Re: First time poster here.... [koury]
by allmet33
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Dec 29, 2008 (2:20 pm)
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Replying to: koury (Dec 29, 2008 2:17 pm)
Because he has nothing better to do than to be controversial and standoff-ish. I think he gets a kick out of it to be honest. Not to mention the fact he can't stand the fact that Hyundai has indeed done what he refuses to admit...create a luxury sedan.
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Re: [captain2]
by allmet33
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Dec 29, 2008 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 2:18 pm)
Lincoln since it no longer makes anything unique doesn't pass muster anymore
Have you taken a look at the MKS and the upcoming MKT...please tell me where you see anything like them on the road in any other part of the world...please!
The only perception that is shallow is yours. You keep refering back to the dealers, which I will admit and concur that the dealership network could be a major hurdle for the Genesis. However, the sedan itself, no matter how you want to look it...IS a luxury sedan.
Even when the ES was nothing more than a glorified Camry, it was still considered luxury. The Infinity I30 was nothing more than a luxo-version of the Maxima and it was still accepted as a luxury sedan. The Genesis is not based on anything else, it is it's own animal.
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Re: First time poster here.... [koury]
by captain2
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Dec 29, 2008 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: koury (Dec 29, 2008 2:17 pm)
what I think I said is that I haven't spent any time with one yet - which I haven't. Sitting in one in a showroom is a different story, something I have taken the time to do - and also quite a bad way to evaluate anything. Even a test drive is a suspect means to really truly evaluate anything.
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Re: First time poster here.... [captain2]
by allmet33
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Dec 29, 2008 (2:30 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 2:25 pm)
Sitting IN the car whether it's in your driveway, the showroom floor, on the sales lot or anywhere else is hardly bad. It allows you to actually just sit in the car and take it all in. The test drive is just an extension of that, but now you're saying that simply sitting in and test driving isn't enough to determine a luxury feel? LMAO I truly think you're just pushing buttons for effect now. If you can't determine luxury from sitting in and test driving a vehicle, then maybe you're so much the car guy you desire everyone to think you are.
Just admit the fact that it kills you that Hyundai had the audacity to create and bring to market a luxury sedan that could be more widely accessible than the flagship offerings from any of the premium brands. In your world, I'm sure this is truly tragic.
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Re: [captain2]
by zone4
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Dec 29, 2008 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 2:18 pm)
You stated: the Genesis blew it's chance to be a 'luxury' anything when the decision was made to try to sell it at Hyundai dealers. So if the Genesis was made by BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Lexus, or Infinity would it then be considered a luxury vehicle?
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Re: Battery Dead Again [colegar]
by rlejr66
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Dec 29, 2008 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: colegar (Dec 26, 2008 3:01 pm)
Wow . . . . . . . .13K miles already? Did you get one of the first Genesis' to hit North America soil? You must have a hellacious commute, or just like to drive! Best of luck getting your ride squared away. Whether you paid 30K or 100K, it doesn't matter if you can't get it to run!
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Re: Comparing several . . [donna388]
by rlejr66
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Dec 29, 2008 (6:57 pm)
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Replying to: donna388 (Dec 29, 2008 11:59 am)
Just saw the CR article. A little surprised with some of the comparison vehicles. A Maxima and a G8? I guess "high end luxury sedan" can mean just about anything these days. Especially when everyone else is comparing the Genesis to BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus. Looks like the car geeks are having a hard time placing the Genesis in any particular segment. In the end, the Genesis still gets the thumbs up! No matter what the competition is.
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Re: Comparing several . . [rlejr66]
by backy
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Dec 29, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: rlejr66 (Dec 29, 2008 6:57 pm)
CR compared the Genesis to the Maxima and G8 because they hadn't been tested by CR yet, so they were lumped in with the Genesis to make a test group for an article. In actuality, CR compared the Genesis against ALL vehicles in its price class, most of which they have already tested. That is how CR groups cars, by price and type (sedan, SUV etc.). Since the 3 cars are similar in price, they get lumped together for rating purposes.
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Re: Comparing several . . [rlejr66]
by blnewto
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Dec 30, 2008 (6:37 am)
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Replying to: rlejr66 (Dec 29, 2008 6:57 pm)
Looks like the car geeks are having a hard time placing the Genesis in any particular segment
Because the Gen has it's own class "Bargain Luxury", entry-level luxury may apply, but that's usually smaller cars such as BMW3, Infinity G, Lexus IS, etc. And although they're all great cars they're not a bargain. Not sure where else you'd place the vehicle~how 'bout "entry level large bargain luxury"
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