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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 11:45 am) They may not be able to offer you exactly what MB, BMW, Lexus or Infinity can offer in terms of intangibles, but...when one can save anywhere from $7-30K (depending on what models you compare to the Genesis), the level of luxury you can get with the Genesis really does have quite an appeal to it.
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 Read the latest issue of Consumer Reports. Perhaps their write up will help you decide whether or not you care for the Genesis compared to some others that were tested.  
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 11:52 am) again you talk about 'luxury' as if it was some defining collection of doodads - something that I have issues with - I mean what is it then that you can get on a Genesis that is not available on an appropriate Azera, Avalon, or even going lower a Grand Marquis. We've certainly been thru this all before, but a true luxury car has little to do with optional or even standard equipment, performance specs etc because it too is a perception. Yes - that BMW does come with lots and lots of your precious doodads (hell, the Genesis may actually have more of them), but none of that has anything to do with one being a true 'luxury' sedan, the other not.
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:22 pm) So please, stop trying to speak for me.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 1:30 pm) now you're getting closer and, just like I said a perception, because those same surfaces and those same sensory appeals can be found on your Azera, my Avalon etc. etc. it's all a question of our individual predispositions - in this case. In other words, if you think you are about to experience some sort of automotive nirvana - it will likely be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Another example of this might be the MKS, another Ford rebadging effort with lots of doodads to be sure, and even with a brand name that most people still agree means luxury, but is it? I would contend to you that no it isn't simply because it is so closely related to the Ford 500 it came from - and if you are buying a Ford you can't buy a luxury car - just like if you buy a Hyundai you can't buy a luxury car either. Nothing specifically negative (or positive) about the car itself, only those nasty perceptions....
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:50 pm) You haven't spent time in a Genesis, have you? If you have, you wouldn't be making that statement. I own an Azera and I cross shoped the Avalon and no...the surfaces do not feel the same in the Genesis compared to the other two. Nor does the feel of the cabin. Sorry, Captain...it's the truth. And no, it's not an expectation of automotive nirvana, it's about feeling pretty doggone nice sitting in it. A level of nice that's above that feeling one gets from sitting in the Azera, Avalon or Maxima. Going from my Azera into the Genesis...night and day. Going from my Azera into the Avalon...sorta like going from one room in my house to another. Different look, same feel. I base my statements off of actually spending time in the vehicles I'm talking about. Before you actually say something one way or other...do the same thing so you can at least know what you're talking about. If you reach out and touch the dash of the Genesis, it has the pliable, pebble texture of the higher end cars. The Azera has the pebbled hard plastic with no pliability upon touch and from my recollection...neither did the Avalon. The touch of the controls has a nice feel, not that common everyday feel you get in cars like the Azera, Avalon & Maxima. It's just something that makes it feel a notch above. Would you please stop with the BS and trying to convince people that you can't buy a luxury car from Hyundai. As much as you care not to admit or accept the fact...it's a reality By the way...have you sat in a Ford Taurus and then turned around and sat in the MKS? I didn't think so...I think if you did you would be greatly surprised to see there's a huge difference in the impact. It's just so sad that you believe luxury cars can only come from Europe or Japan. The world grows smaller on a daily basis and because of that, the playing field gets more and more level.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 1:58 pm) BINGO - you nailed it. Captain has stated that he indeed has never test driven the Genesis. I'm amazed that he continues to argue anything when he hasn't seen this car.
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It's just so sad that you believe luxury cars can only come from Europe or Japan no, the CTS and STS are the only remaining 'American' luxury cars IMO, the DTS and the Escalade definitely are not. Lincoln since it no longer makes anything unique doesn't pass muster anymore, the Genesis blew it's chance to be a 'luxury' anything when the decision was made to try to sell it at Hyundai dealers. If 'Genesis' was a brand, marketed independently, the first Genesis car, as we now know it, might easily have become a new entrant in the luxury car ranks. Kind of shallow, these perceptions, aren't they?
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Replying to: koury (Dec 29, 2008 2:17 pm) 
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 2:18 pm) Have you taken a look at the MKS and the upcoming MKT...please tell me where you see anything like them on the road in any other part of the world...please! The only perception that is shallow is yours. You keep refering back to the dealers, which I will admit and concur that the dealership network could be a major hurdle for the Genesis. However, the sedan itself, no matter how you want to look it...IS a luxury sedan. Even when the ES was nothing more than a glorified Camry, it was still considered luxury. The Infinity I30 was nothing more than a luxo-version of the Maxima and it was still accepted as a luxury sedan. The Genesis is not based on anything else, it is it's own animal. |
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