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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 10:36 am) Perception is something that will change over time if they keep on their current path. One thing I've found is that most folks that have something negative to say about Hyundai vehicles in general, haven't even been in one...they go based on what they've heared. I personally know a few folks that used to talk about how bad Hyundai was, but when they saw my Sonata and my current Azera, they raised their eyebrows. Now that they've seen the Genesis and actually test driven one...oh, they have definitely changed their tune. I will say this much, if you have never been in one, driving a current Hyundai may not make you buy one, but...it will certainly give you a different perspective of what their vehicles are about if you previously had a negative image about them.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 10:43 am) I have driven the Azera and thought it was a rather remarkable achievement, but tempered that judgement by subpar FE and a marshmallow soft (seemingly sloppy)suspension - and I drive an Avalon as you know (albeit the Touring model) of all things. The Sonata V6 same 'problem' although not as 'soft' as the non-SE Camrys and a too cheap interior. Not that I blame Hyundai ('soft' sells in this country) but from a lot of what I read - suspension tuning/sophistication perhaps not quite in Hyundai's bag of tricks yet.... It is possible to have a well controlled and 'soft/pleasant ' ride - all at the same time - they call them BMWs, MBs, amd FTM LSs.
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 11:19 am) I'm sure Hyundai will eventually get the memo on the tuning of the suspensions and do something about it to make it a better fit. Honestly, I think the Genesis could use a sport tuned suspension because the car really makes you wanna DRIVE it from the moment you step on the gas pedal. The interior differences between the Genesis/LS and the GS...are merely .5" here, 1.25" there and 2" somewhere else, however...when it comes to pricing, the GS is closest in terms of what you pay vs. what you get. Heck, even the base ES starts out costing more than the base Genesis V-6. I think the Genesis vs. GS comparo was good in some aspects, but not so good in others. I mean...they could have compared the Genesis 3.8 to the GS-350 and the Genesis 4.6 to the GS-460 and done very well. Granted, the Genesis 3.8 won't turn in the performance numbers of the GS-350, but it won't be that far off. In essence, the Genesis gives you close to the size of the LS, with the features and amenities of the GS with a price that would net you an ES.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 11:41 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 11:45 am) They may not be able to offer you exactly what MB, BMW, Lexus or Infinity can offer in terms of intangibles, but...when one can save anywhere from $7-30K (depending on what models you compare to the Genesis), the level of luxury you can get with the Genesis really does have quite an appeal to it.
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 Read the latest issue of Consumer Reports. Perhaps their write up will help you decide whether or not you care for the Genesis compared to some others that were tested.  
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 11:52 am) again you talk about 'luxury' as if it was some defining collection of doodads - something that I have issues with - I mean what is it then that you can get on a Genesis that is not available on an appropriate Azera, Avalon, or even going lower a Grand Marquis. We've certainly been thru this all before, but a true luxury car has little to do with optional or even standard equipment, performance specs etc because it too is a perception. Yes - that BMW does come with lots and lots of your precious doodads (hell, the Genesis may actually have more of them), but none of that has anything to do with one being a true 'luxury' sedan, the other not.
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:22 pm) So please, stop trying to speak for me.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 1:30 pm) now you're getting closer and, just like I said a perception, because those same surfaces and those same sensory appeals can be found on your Azera, my Avalon etc. etc. it's all a question of our individual predispositions - in this case. In other words, if you think you are about to experience some sort of automotive nirvana - it will likely be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Another example of this might be the MKS, another Ford rebadging effort with lots of doodads to be sure, and even with a brand name that most people still agree means luxury, but is it? I would contend to you that no it isn't simply because it is so closely related to the Ford 500 it came from - and if you are buying a Ford you can't buy a luxury car - just like if you buy a Hyundai you can't buy a luxury car either. Nothing specifically negative (or positive) about the car itself, only those nasty perceptions....
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 1:50 pm) You haven't spent time in a Genesis, have you? If you have, you wouldn't be making that statement. I own an Azera and I cross shoped the Avalon and no...the surfaces do not feel the same in the Genesis compared to the other two. Nor does the feel of the cabin. Sorry, Captain...it's the truth. And no, it's not an expectation of automotive nirvana, it's about feeling pretty doggone nice sitting in it. A level of nice that's above that feeling one gets from sitting in the Azera, Avalon or Maxima. Going from my Azera into the Genesis...night and day. Going from my Azera into the Avalon...sorta like going from one room in my house to another. Different look, same feel. I base my statements off of actually spending time in the vehicles I'm talking about. Before you actually say something one way or other...do the same thing so you can at least know what you're talking about. If you reach out and touch the dash of the Genesis, it has the pliable, pebble texture of the higher end cars. The Azera has the pebbled hard plastic with no pliability upon touch and from my recollection...neither did the Avalon. The touch of the controls has a nice feel, not that common everyday feel you get in cars like the Azera, Avalon & Maxima. It's just something that makes it feel a notch above. Would you please stop with the BS and trying to convince people that you can't buy a luxury car from Hyundai. As much as you care not to admit or accept the fact...it's a reality By the way...have you sat in a Ford Taurus and then turned around and sat in the MKS? I didn't think so...I think if you did you would be greatly surprised to see there's a huge difference in the impact. It's just so sad that you believe luxury cars can only come from Europe or Japan. The world grows smaller on a daily basis and because of that, the playing field gets more and more level.
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