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Re: First time poster here.... [sanjaysdca] by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (9:35 am)
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Dec 24, 2008 8:06 am)

Sanjay...to be honest, I'm really not surprised. Anyone that really gets in a Genesis and takes one for a spin....
 
Comparing it to the Lexus ES really is unfair, if you had said you would take it over the GS...I'd be more impressed. One thing I trluy dig about the Genesis is that you can burn regular gas in it, the others are premium fuel only. Granted, gas prices have fallen, but...we see how much hurt it put on folks when it spiked. Another issue is maintenance costs...every other car you've mentioned from Lexus, Infiniti and Audi are very costly in the maintenance dept. In comparison to the rest of the Hyundai line-up, it could be more costly, but compared to the premium brands...maybe quite less. Can't really speak on that with confidence, but it would seem to make sense.
 
I've had my Azera for almost 3 years now and the single most expensive maintenance cost I've paid is $125 for the transmission flush. Other than that, it's only been oil changes ($35 for oil & filter x 8 = $280), brake pads (2 sets = $135) and wiper blades (2 sets $40/set = $80), oh...and I replaced the OEM battery for $75...a grand total of $615 covering 2.8 years & 63K miles.
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Re: First time poster here.... [allmet33] by captain2
Dec 29, 2008 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 9:35 am)

if you are going to 'compare' a Genesis with a Lexus product - with a straight face - then wouldn't the better comparison be between the LS at $70k versus the the Genesis V8 at more than 20 grand less than that? The Genesis much closer in size and purpose (soft highway cruiser) than the GS which is more a midsize car smaller than even the Sonata. I doubt that you would find many that wouldn't take the LS, - if the $25k or so (and the badge, sophistication, engineering etc.) mean little.
IBut I do agree that folks that would be worried about spending 20 cents+ extra or so per gallon would be precisely those that might consider the Genesis seriously.
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Re: First time poster here.... [captain2] by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 10:16 am)

You are right to a degree...size-wise...the LS would make more sense in comparison to the Genesis, however...if you're going for features and options, the GS and Genesis are almost neck and neck in that regard. The size difference isn't really that huge between the two either to be honest.
 
However, the point would still be that the Genesis would be a better value than any of the Lexus cars from V-6 to V-8 models.
 
Personally, when the new LS hit the streets I fell in love with it. It's a very sexy car (to me at least), however...seeing the Genesis, while maybe not quite as sexy as the LS, it's still very eye catching AND I can save $30K to boot?
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Jazzed up Genesis by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Okay...I got excited when I finally spotted a Genesis in person on the roads in my area, but the other morning on the way to the bank I got to see not only a Genesis, but one that was "hooked" up. What I mean was...the owner had put some very nice 20" deep dish rims with at least a 3" lip. The Genesis was that beautiful ice blue color and he had the windows tinted. It looked very, very classy....wish I could've gotten pics of it to post.
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Re: First time poster here.... [allmet33] by captain2
Dec 29, 2008 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 10:24 am)

The size difference isn't really that huge between the two either to be hones
really - sit in the back seat of an LS then go sit in a GS. Given that both pay the price of the relatively space inefficient RWD layout..
'Value' has never been a problem for the Korean car mfgrs , perception is
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Re: First time poster here.... [captain2] by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (10:43 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 10:36 am)

No...I was referring to the overall interior space between the Genesis and the GS. Heck, the Azera has almost as much interiror space as the LS. Unless of course you get the executive stretched version of the LS.
 
Perception is something that will change over time if they keep on their current path. One thing I've found is that most folks that have something negative to say about Hyundai vehicles in general, haven't even been in one...they go based on what they've heared. I personally know a few folks that used to talk about how bad Hyundai was, but when they saw my Sonata and my current Azera, they raised their eyebrows. Now that they've seen the Genesis and actually test driven one...oh, they have definitely changed their tune.
 
I will say this much, if you have never been in one, driving a current Hyundai may not make you buy one, but...it will certainly give you a different perspective of what their vehicles are about if you previously had a negative image about them.
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Re: First time poster here.... [allmet33] by captain2
Dec 29, 2008 (11:19 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 10:43 am)

having not spent any time in the Genesis yet, I would be surpised if it wasn't significantly bigger than the GS, just like the difference between the GS and std. LS. Wheelbase and other vehicle dimensions much closer between the Genesis and LS as opposed to the GS/Genesis.
I have driven the Azera and thought it was a rather remarkable achievement, but tempered that judgement by subpar FE and a marshmallow soft (seemingly sloppy)suspension - and I drive an Avalon as you know (albeit the Touring model) of all things. The Sonata V6 same 'problem' although not as 'soft' as the non-SE Camrys and a too cheap interior. Not that I blame Hyundai ('soft' sells in this country) but from a lot of what I read - suspension tuning/sophistication perhaps not quite in Hyundai's bag of tricks yet....
It is possible to have a well controlled and 'soft/pleasant ' ride - all at the same time - they call them BMWs, MBs, amd FTM LSs.
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Re: First time poster here.... [captain2] by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (11:41 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 11:19 am)

Sidebar...the FE on the Azera is no worse than that of the Maximas of the same model year and nobody complains about the FE on those. That's funny. The suspension is soft and that's simply becuase the Azera is nothing more than a highway cruiser...all it was intended to be. With a more progressive suspension, it has potential though.
 
I'm sure Hyundai will eventually get the memo on the tuning of the suspensions and do something about it to make it a better fit. Honestly, I think the Genesis could use a sport tuned suspension because the car really makes you wanna DRIVE it from the moment you step on the gas pedal.
 
The interior differences between the Genesis/LS and the GS...are merely .5" here, 1.25" there and 2" somewhere else, however...when it comes to pricing, the GS is closest in terms of what you pay vs. what you get. Heck, even the base ES starts out costing more than the base Genesis V-6. I think the Genesis vs. GS comparo was good in some aspects, but not so good in others. I mean...they could have compared the Genesis 3.8 to the GS-350 and the Genesis 4.6 to the GS-460 and done very well. Granted, the Genesis 3.8 won't turn in the performance numbers of the GS-350, but it won't be that far off.
 
In essence, the Genesis gives you close to the size of the LS, with the features and amenities of the GS with a price that would net you an ES.
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Re: First time poster here.... [allmet33] by captain2
Dec 29, 2008 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 29, 2008 11:41 am)

it is Hyundai, not me, that seemingly wants us to consider in lieu of those truly luxury 'sports sedans'. If all you want to talk about is 'bling for the buck' there are very very few cars that will stand up to any comparison with those made in Korea - or Alabama.
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Re: First time poster here.... [captain2] by allmet33
Dec 29, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 29, 2008 11:45 am)

To be honest, they are making a very valid and well heard statement that's hard to ignore my friend.
 
They may not be able to offer you exactly what MB, BMW, Lexus or Infinity can offer in terms of intangibles, but...when one can save anywhere from $7-30K (depending on what models you compare to the Genesis), the level of luxury you can get with the Genesis really does have quite an appeal to it.

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