Hyundai Genesis Sedan 2009-

Replying to: captain2 (Dec 04, 2008 1:59 pm)

...don't understand why there are folks out there that read my posts as some sort of attack on the Korean car or anything like that.
 
Gosh Captain...I can only wonder why that would be? Maybe you don't intend for your posts to seem as such, but I have to point out (as others have seen as well), there are plenty of times you actually do come across like you're dumping on anything Hyundai This is not intended to start an argument or debate, just pointing out an observation to your pondering.
 
Can't we simply look at a manufacturer that has suddenly decided to spread its wings, has come out with several commendably competitve products recently ann then discuss why those products don't do as well as perhaps they should in the market place?
 
Did you're fingers cramp up while typing that? It actually would seem you threw a compliment in there. Seriously...if we are talking the Genesis, numbers have been shown that indicate that it is doing just as well as other vehicles of the same type. What's the problem?

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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 04, 2008 2:40 pm)

I am assuming you're "dumping" on the name Hyundai, and not Genesis, which just happened to be the best name in the segment, IMO - the only car with a name...
 
Back on topic - so, let's forget the fact for a second financially Hyundai has estimated the luxury nameplate would only break-even after some double digit years, who's to say the brand would be a guaranteed success, with ZERO brand equity? It took years and years for Lexus to become established, for the most part; Infiniti is still getting its bearings together (while most people still put down as Infinity); and Acura has not even come close to a household luxury brand despite the fact it was the first Asian luxury nameplate in the US. Even the Germans, namely BMW and Mercedes, having dominated this segment, has been seen as susceptible.
 
Regarding the decision, again, Hyundai did what it felt was the best option for the US market. And we know the Genesis under the Hyundai umbrella has been resilient, if nothing else, despite the crisis being experienced in recent months. Continued "dumping" isn't going to do much so let's see how the Genesis plays along.
 
Personally I feel the arrival of the Genesis family (with the upcoming coupe) helps in three general areas:
 
1) the products themselves, of course
2) other products within the fleet
3) increased perception of the brand/company
 
As an aside, those who predicted the Genesis would be DOA like the Phaeton - show yourself

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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 04, 2008 8:08 pm)

As an aside, those who predicted the Genesis would be DOA like the Phaeton - show yourself
 
You didn't just call them out did ya? There are a few enjoying a little bit of crow, but will hardly admit it. Either that, or they'll try and take a new angle to explain why the Genesis will be a failure.
 
Personally I feel the arrival of the Genesis family (with the upcoming coupe) helps in three general areas:
  
1) the products themselves, of course
2) other products within the fleet
3) increased perception of the brand/company
 
I agree completely with you here (another point the nay sayers debated vehemently). Product awareness has indeed shot up with the amount of advertising that's been behind the Genesis. When's the last time you've heard of any tv show being sponsored by any other Hyundai vehicle? Yeah, there was a show that debuted and all the ads leading up to it said, "...brought to you by the Hyundai Genesis." No other car in the Hyundai stable has enjoyed the amount of attention that the Genesis has received...even before it was brought to market. As I said early on, folks would be interested to see what this car was about and it would also have them taking a look at the other cars that are offered. All of the other models definitely benefit indirectly.

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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 04, 2008 2:40 pm)

I think you'll find that the only thing I 'dump' on is the name - NOT the product. Quite a bit of difference there?
 
Yeah...okay, whatever you say Captain. You've never said ANYTHING negative in regards to the Genesis in any posting, huh?

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