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US Genesis November Sales by joe97
Dec 02, 2008 (6:44 pm)
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Genesis books 1,151 units sold for the US market in Nov.
 
Even with all of the signs against the launch of the Genesis, Hyundai continues to weather the storm with its new RWD sedan for the past few months when everything just about turned for the worst.
 
US August - November sales:
 
Genesis: 1,177 | 1,029 | 1,121 | 1,151
GS: 1,686 | 977 | 819 | 721
M: 1,211 | 1,077 | 1,193 | 1,186
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Re: Battery and ethenol [jmaulsby] by pafromfl
Dec 02, 2008 (9:30 pm)
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Replying to: jmaulsby (Dec 02, 2008 2:38 pm)

plus the BTU value of ethanol is around 25%
 
Unfortunately, modern engines are optimized for gasoline and are unable to utilize the meager BTU value of ethanol. My 05 BMW 330i gas mileage decreases by about 7% using E10 and both my 06 Chrysler 300C Hemi and 08 Saturn Astra lose close to 10%. In short, dumping 10% ethanol into a tank of pure gasoline has almost no effect on the distance I can drive. Then there is the issue of ethanol destroying fuel lines in yard equipment and eating through the tanks of older boats. We are also depleting the aquifers in the midwest for no good reason. E10 is a complete scam.
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [joe97] by veragen
Dec 03, 2008 (12:15 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 02, 2008 6:44 pm)

Even with all of the signs against the launch of the Genesis, Hyundai continues to weather the storm
 
Asian automakers: (H-I-L group) Hyundai, Infiniti & Lexus
US - monthly ~ sales of (H-I-L) Luxury & Sporty Sedans:
 
---(RWD or AWD)----------Aug--------Sep--------Oct--------Nov------>-------2008
----\------------------/--------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------
        Hyundai
  Genesis V6 / V8 1,177 1,029 1,121 1,151 > (4,478)
 
         Infiniti
  M35 / M45 (S/X) 1,211 1,077 1,193 1,186 > (4,667)
 
         Lexus
  GS350 / GS460 1,686 977 819 721 > (4,203)
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------
 
Hey Joe97, It seems that Hyundai Genesis is keeping their part up in the (H-I-L) group thus far of monthly sales from the sources you received. Way to go Genesis!
 
So Joe97, Do have the monthly ~ sales sources of "B-A-M" like food Chef Emeril Lagasse (shout out from FoodNetwork) this would be the German automakers: (B-A-M) group Bimmer > 535 / 550 , Audi > A6 / S6 & Mercedes > E350 / E550? Both groups (B-A-M) / (H-I-L) are trying to survive the US auto-market in sales from the recession Dec '08.
 
Adv. Thx.
VeraGen
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [joe97] by allmet33
Dec 03, 2008 (12:17 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 02, 2008 6:44 pm)

US August - November sales:
  
Genesis: 1,177 | 1,029 | 1,121 | 1,151
GS: 1,686 | 977 | 819 | 721
M: 1,211 | 1,077 | 1,193 | 1,186

 
With numbers like that, there's more of a market for the Genesis than a few posters would care to admit.
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [allmet33] by houdini1
Dec 03, 2008 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Dec 03, 2008 12:17 pm)

Probably look even better by comparison if you throw in the RL.
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [houdini1] by joe97
Dec 03, 2008 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 03, 2008 12:51 pm)

I'd hate to say it, but the RL is a joke in terms of reaching the buyers. Without posting the actual numbers, let's just say the Genesis has already passed the YTD sales numbers of the RL (January-November) in just a few short months
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [veragen] by joe97
Dec 03, 2008 (4:51 pm)
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Replying to: veragen (Dec 03, 2008 12:15 am)

US Market August - November:
 
BMW 5-Series (14,595): 5,287 | 2,423 | 3,958 | 2,927
Mercedes E-Class (10,011): 2,681 | 2,968 | 2,098 | 2,264
Infiniti M (4,667): 1,211 | 1,077 | 1,193 | 1,186
Hyundai Genesis (4,478): 1,177 | 1,029 | 1,121 | 1,151
Lexus GS (4,203): 1,686 | 977 | 819 | 721
Audi A6/S6 (4,085): 1,520 | 1,090 | 758 | 717
Acura RL (1,081): 316 | 259 | 272 | 234
 
5-Series is still the king here, although I suspect there was probably some super promotion going on in August; the number contrast with the other three months are glaring...
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [joe97] by allmet33
Dec 04, 2008 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 03, 2008 4:51 pm)

5-Series is still the king here, although I suspect there was probably some super promotion going on in August; the number contrast with the other three months are glaring...
 
Kinda hard to ignore the whole "maintenance free" package that BMW offers. I mean...all you have to do is worry about paying the monthly note. That's up there with with a 10yr/100k mile warranty...very, very hard to ignore.
 
This may be a dumb question, but I've never really followed the RL...why is it such a poor seller???
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [joe97] by captain2
Dec 04, 2008 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: joe97 (Dec 03, 2008 4:51 pm)

although I suspect there was probably some super promotion going on
The term 'super promotion' is a term reserved for Hyundais,Buicks, and the like - although I'm sure that many of the cars you have listed here were (and probably still are) available at better prices, it is the fact that thngs like those BMWs don't HAVE to be discounted (and don't HAVE to be cheap) to sell. This distinguishes them from the Hyundais of the world.
 Folks pay the premium for the BMWs because they want the best and couldn't really care much about any 'super promotion' it may or may not be available at. It is NOT price that sells the BMW (or many of the other cars you list). The Hyundai buyer may never understand this....
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Re: US Genesis November Sales [captain2] by skylab
Dec 04, 2008 (9:33 am)
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Replying to: captain2 (Dec 04, 2008 8:58 am)

Perhaps you would care to explain then why BMW has for years massively subsidized leases in order to actually get their overpriced vehicles into customer hands? The truism has long been that only an idiot actually buys a Beemer and you certainly appear to fit the profile.

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