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Re: I' [paisan] by paisan
Apr 07, 2007 (1:23 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 07, 2007 12:25 pm)


 
http://www.pbase.com/paisan/nyias07
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Re: I' [paisan] by rockylee
Apr 07, 2007 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 07, 2007 1:23 pm)

Mike,
 
Thanx for the pic. That's a good one. G35 from the front and the rear pics I've saw say BMW Bangle like Butt
 
Rocky
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Re: I' [paisan] by nycdc911
Apr 07, 2007 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 07, 2007 12:25 pm)

Potentially thinking about changing the Hyundai name wasn't my main point, creating a new luxury division called Genesis is the major issue. If you were a luxury car buyer would you rather own a Hyundai knowing their cheap reputation or a new Genesis luxury sedan?
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Re: I' [nycdc911] by paisan
Apr 07, 2007 (2:59 pm)
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Replying to: nycdc911 (Apr 07, 2007 2:52 pm)

I'm a trader on wall street and rub elbows with the folks buying luxury cars. BMW/MB, guess what? They won't buy it period, no matter what name you put under it. Heck Infiniti and Lexus BARELY are accepted at the country clubs these days. I think Hyundai would go a lot further w/o creating a phony "luxury" company and just continue to give people good value for their money, which in this case would be upscale ammenties and looks at a rock bottom price. That's what attracted folks to Hyundai in the first place and what they should continue to be rooted in.
 
I'd be first in line to buy one of these suckers. Heck I'd signup for an AWD Sonata if it came out!
 
-mike
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Re: I' [paisan] by gpk
Apr 07, 2007 (6:39 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Apr 07, 2007 2:59 pm)

I think that this car is going to benefit all consumers. Hyundai is sending a message and in the end its a win win situation for all consumers. I am a Honda fan I have owned 4 and usually get a lot of life out of them. What I see is that Hyundai forces T/H/N and the rest to really pump out the best product that they can. This might force honda to redo the Acura RL and come out with a V-8/10. Everyone see's whats happening to the big 3 so if T/H/N do not want to walk down the american auto industry path they will take notice. This car is BIG for the entire auto industry(except the European's). Like I said this is BIG and VERY GOOD for all of us...
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Re: I' [gpk] by paisan
Apr 07, 2007 (7:26 pm)
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Replying to: gpk (Apr 07, 2007 6:39 pm)

I wonder when honda will figure things out about RWD and V8s, I remember reading where they basically have no desire to put out a V8 or a RWD car and pretty much feel that FWD and V6 is the be-all end all. Although there is the s2000 and NSX which aren't in that area.
 
-mike
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Re: Genesis: Hyundai's new luxury division; change Hyundai name? [nycdc911] by ontop
Apr 07, 2007 (8:24 pm)
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Replying to: nycdc911 (Apr 07, 2007 11:57 am)

Yup - change the name. Hyundai has a stigma. And the name looks weird too.
 
How about Masters? Or Callaway? Or Grand Slam?
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Re: 2008-2009 Hyundai Genesis [killerbunny] by joe97
Apr 07, 2007 (8:57 pm)
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Replying to: killerbunny (Apr 07, 2007 5:46 am)

Rocky, I like this concept. But I don't think it will be anywhere close to Camry in terms of MSRP. As of now, Sonata is not much cheaper than Camry anyway.
  
Let's say, Sonata is 5%~10% cheaper than Camry. Let Genesis be 5%~10% cheaper than the V8 RWD Toyota (LS460), subtract another 10% for not using an up-market brand name. That will still be at least $50,000 for the starting MSRP.

 
1) It's not meant to compete with the Camry. As noted, the Sonata is.
 
2) The BH (codename, no official name has been given yet) will likely start under $30K in the US, with the V8 version estimated at low-to-mid 30s range.
 
3) Feature-wise, what you see is what you get. I've been told everything listed in the PR would be available on the production model next year (e.g. Nav, Xenon). Also, Hyundai will likely become to first non-luxury nameplate to offer HD radio.
 
4) Good news for the power fans - the V8 will put out a lot more than 300 horses, Hyundai has always estimated conservatively. Upwards of 340 or more is possibly a slightly precise estimate.
 
5) Few changes in the front and the rear, otherwise, this is the car coming to the showroom next year.
 
6) MSRP and comparably speaking, the Sonata is a good 10%-20% cheaper, depending on trims, packages and options.
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I'm confused by drfill
Apr 07, 2007 (9:36 pm)
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   If the Genesis is supposed to start "well under" $30k (V6 version), what happens to Axera? Is this Azera's replacement?
 
   If the V6 Genesis is in the high $20's, the V8 would be $5-7k more? Around 33-35k?
 
   I don't have a problem with Hyundai building a luxury marque. If they are meeting/exceeding sales goals for the former XG350/Azera, then go for it.
   
   Genesis is a better name for a company than a car.
 
   They will DEFINITELY need another vehicle to start a marque with. I'd build a coupe.
 
   Personally, I'd get people comfortable with considering Hyundai as a 1st-rate full-line marque, which most people haven't realized yet. I don't see what the rush is?
 
   But now might be the time to pounce! Acura continues to struggle, and Infiniti is working on a very slow upswing. Lincoln is all but dead. Audi isn't setting the world on fire, after countless opportunities.
 
   I think they're getting ahead of themselves, and should wait until the Fall of 2010, at the earliest.
 
   And I agree, producing a couple of studly models for the NAIAS, and announcing in the Fall a new brand will emerge is definitely the way to do this, as Lexus did.
 
   If Lexus writes a book, you should tear out a page or two, no?
 
   DrFill

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