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Re: Funny! [allmet33] by joe97
Nov 24, 2008 (1:22 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 24, 2008 11:24 am)

The article was dated in August, so I ventured the purchase took place sometimes in July, which was the first full month of product availability, even though it didn't become fully available like you said, until September.
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Car & Driver on the Genesis by backy
Nov 24, 2008 (1:24 pm)
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The suspension, as well, is as sophisti­cated as they come. The four main links on the two front corners are each attached to the hub with a ball joint. This arrangement locates the steering axis much closer to the center of the tire’s contact patch than it would with a conventional unequal-length control-arm suspension, which should im­prove steering feel and reduce bump steer. It’s an expensive setup, made more so by the use of lightweight aluminum for the links, knuckles, and brackets, and fur­ther evidence that Hyundai is making a serious effort here.
 
Our brief driving impression revealed well-controlled drive motions, predictable handling, and an excellent powertrain. We’ll need more time behind the wheel to be sure, but all signs point toward a well-tuned chassis. We’re not sug­gesting banishing that 5-series just yet, as the Genesis is tuned more for Lexus-like isolation than BMW-like involvement. And that, at least ideologically, is one of the few minor shortcomings of the Genesis. Lexus makes fine cars, to be sure, but the Ger­mans and Infiniti have more to offer in the fun-to-drive category.
 
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/car_shopping/family_four_doors/200- 9_hyundai_genesis_4_6_short_take_road_test/(page)/1
 
Though we have reservations about this new car’s membership in the premium-sports-sedan club, Hyundai has otherwise done everything right, including impressive fit and finish. Given the company’s short history—the Korean industrial conglomerate didn’t even have an automotive division until 1967—it’s an amazing achievement.
 
Though falling short of the BMW’s sporting standard, the Genesis is better on fast back roads than the cushy Lexus LS460 and way better than the loosey-goosey Toyota Avalon.
 
http://www.nospeedlimit.com/car-and-driver-road-test-2009-hyundai-genesis-46
 
So, other than the Genesis V8 not matching the 528i in handling prowess--which is not at all surprising--what is this big issue with the Genesis' suspension that keeps being raised?
 
If you want a car that handles like a BMW, get a BMW. If you want something like a Lexus luxo-cruiser but for a lot less money, the Genesis is a good alternative.
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Re: Funny! [joe97] by allmet33
Nov 24, 2008 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Nov 24, 2008 1:22 pm)

Ahhhhhh...so right you are.
 
With that being said, IF Hyundai averaged 1000 units per month since September that would total less than 3000 sold. Makes sense as to why a lot of folks aren't really seeing them on the roads much. This is basically the same thing that happened when the '02 Sonata & the '06 Azera dropped. It took almost a year before you started seeing them on the road with any type of regularity.
 
I honestly believe the coupe will fare better simply because of the aftermarket push it will have already generated as Hyundai has released pre-production models to some aftermarket shops to create bolt on parts for it. I think the Tiburon crowd will be the first to jump on them as well as those shopping the coupes from the premium brands.
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Re: Car & Driver on the Genesis [backy] by allmet33
Nov 24, 2008 (2:21 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Nov 24, 2008 1:24 pm)

You know Backy...I'm starting to believe that the reason some folks are so hard on the suspension of the Genesis is that they want it to be something more than it really is. It's not enough that it offers a ride equal to that of a Lexus, Infiniti or MB for a lot less, but there are those that are convinced that it must be equal to that of the BMW in handling as well to be taken seriously.
 
In all honesty, when the Genesis is driven in the manner it was designed to be driven (as a luxo-cruiser)...there are really no issues with the suspension. When the car is pushed and driven as one would drive a BMW...that is when the problems show up. As you said, it's not a BMW and if you want a car to handle like one...go buy one.
 
On the flip side of all this, I will admit...it is hard to not want to push the Genesis when you're in the driver's seat. It doesn't have that snap-your-head-back acceleration you would get with a BMW, but I guarantee this much...mash the gas pedal down and before you know it, you'll be saying "Whoa...I didn't realize..." It's a very smooth accelerating car and when you realize how easily it can achieve speeds in excess of 75 mph, it makes you wanna drive it in such a manner.
 
To the fault of Hyundai, they should have made the Genesis look more stately and less athletic (sorta like how the Kia Amanti looks...nobody expects it to offer any sort of performance style handling), maybe then folks wouldn't expect a luxo-cruiser to carve up twisting winding roads like a sport sedan.
 
Hyundai may be able to emulate quite a bit in terms of luxury, but it's not going to get EVERYTHING right. To be quite honest, for the money Hyundai is asking for the Genesis (in any trim level), they got more than plenty right.
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lease deals for 12/08? by bashogrebash
Nov 24, 2008 (2:46 pm)
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does anyone know what the residuals and money factor will be for the month of December? Tryin to decide if I should wait another week or pull the trigger now...
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Re: Car & Driver on the Genesis [allmet33] by backy
Nov 24, 2008 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 24, 2008 2:21 pm)

All I know is, the Genesis V6 had tons more handling capability when I drove it on a test course (and was encouraged to push it to the limits) than I would ever need in the real world. I recognize some people won't be satisfied with that, but there are other cars for them.
 
BMW has been tops in handling for luxury sedans for, how long? But some expect Hyundai to match or exceed BMW in that area on its first attempt. Whatever.
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Re: Funny! [allmet33] by sandy25
Nov 24, 2008 (4:50 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 24, 2008 1:54 pm)

Why we don't see a lot of Genesis on the road: Let's say Hyundai has 4000 Genesis on the road. I remember seeing a report putting the number of cars on the road in the US at 135,000,000. Do the math. I like the odds...part of the fun of driving one.
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Re: Car & Driver on the Genesis [allmet33] by marvinlee1
Nov 24, 2008 (6:18 pm)
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 24, 2008 2:21 pm)

Part of the diverse opinions on Genesis suspension may reflect differing personal preferences by the car reviewers. Some may want a cushy ride at the expense of ultimate handling while others care less about the ride but want great handling ability. Upscale car makers try to find a balance that they hope will appeal to the greatest number of actual, prospective, car buyers. Hyundai has not yet had years of Genesis production to create a stable set of customer expectations. In time, it will be accepted for its own particular set of driving characteristics.
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Re: Hyundai does not want to hear from consumers or anybody. [carolinabob] by chuck1
Nov 24, 2008 (10:27 pm)
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Replying to: carolinabob (Nov 24, 2008 8:47 am)

A question here-
 
Why do you feel motivated to contact the manufacturers?
 
I have purchased many, many new cars and have not been motivated to send a letter as to why I didn't buy one.
 
Car manufacturers have been known NOT TO LISTEN to their own consumer focus groups.
 
I know that popular authors have the same policy....not to accept story outlines from the general public.
 
The reasons for litigation should be obvious......

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