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Replying to: tjn007 (Nov 19, 2008 10:04 am) Let's be real and recognize that Americans like brand names - we like Coach, Gucci, Mercedes-- it doesn't have much to do with quality or logic, it's the emotion of elitism. Had Hyundai changed the name, they would have had a contender. Short of that, noone - and I mean NOONE is going to trade in a Mercedes for a Hyundai. If anyone has done that please speak up.
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Replying to: raycharles1 (Nov 20, 2008 11:12 am) You are right about one thing, many Americans are stuck on brand names, but with the economic status of our country...a good many are starting to re-think things. Hyundai doesn't have to change, it's already a contender. You have obviously chosen the right screen name because you're so blind you can't see it. One thing I've learned in life...never say never. |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 20, 2008 8:13 am) If you want to use VW as your example, then, let's not talk about a cheap car and an upmarket SUV (notice that I don't call it a 'luxury' SUV) , but a cheap car and a very expensive one that was a miserable failure. I don't really know what 'progressions' you are talking about, unless it is simply that they have shown the capacity to make a whole bunch of different types of vehicles. In next month's CR listing of their 'most reliable' cars, 40 out of 47 are 'Japanese' and the only Hyundai model to even make the list - the Elantra. While no Hyundai models appeared on the 'worst' list' either, the only progress I see from a reliability standpoint is that they aren't as bad as they once were - years ago - but still little to change that unfortunate 'disposable car' reputation.
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Replying to: captain2 (Nov 20, 2008 12:42 pm) EXACTLY!!! Why not use VW...the Rabbit was always known as cheap transportation, it just wasn't as disposable as an Escort or Excel. The point of your statement was that a company can't sell a cheap car AND a car costing $40K, but lo & behold...not one, but TWO companies have and are doing it. The fact that Hyundai isn't as bad as it used to be is the progress that needs to be seen. The fact that you don't see any of the models on the worst list is a huge statement...considering we are talking about Hyundai. Not to mention that Hyundai/Kia is the 5th ranked automaker in the world. Anyway, back to the topic at hand...the debate should just stop at the fact that you and others seemingly have a problem with a $40K Hyundai. It's as simple as that. It's not about what it should be or what it isn't or what some think it pretends to be. It's the fact that Hyundai has a $40K car. Get over it, if you don't like it...then don't get one, but don't sit there and say that this can't happen or that shouldn't happen...bottom line, it's happening!!! |
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Replying to: captain2 (Nov 20, 2008 12:42 pm) I think you should stop now... its no point I think allmet works for Genesis... else I adore his passion. There can be nothing wrong with Genesis... even after seeing a banged up genesis in which airbags did not deploy he has this to say (post no 3633 above) We know what the article says, but we don't know if the details are correct. For all we know, the photographer just walked up and saw the Genesis Coupe all crashed up and went from there, he/she may have never spoken to the actual driver to know if he/she was an owner or someone test driving for the company or what. For those who understand no explanation is needed For those who dont understand no explanation is possible
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Replying to: sanjaysdca (Nov 20, 2008 1:42 pm) So what...a picture was posted of ONE Genesis coupe banged up against a light pole and the air bags didn't deploy...what is that supposed to mean? Trust me, I've seen a few accidents in the DC area where cars have run into the backs of other cars and you don't see an air bag deployed and yet...the front end is pushed back significantly. If someone snapped a picture of you drunk out of your mind, passed out with vomit all around you...are we to assume you're an alcoholic? Could have been a one time situation that you simply had too much to drink. The point is...why feed into it when it's a limited instance. Now if we start seeing pictures popping up all the time with this problem...I think more heed should be paid, yes? The Genesis isn't the perfect car, but it's the perfect car for Hyundai in that it's the feather in their cap that can bring them a level of respectability they have yet to enjoy. No, it won't happen overnight because the Genesis still has to prove that it is worthy of the accolades that are potentially waiting for it. Hey, it's even possible that the Genesis doesn't live up to it's potential. Bottom line is Hyundai has created a car that a great many didn't think it could and that in itself speaks volumes for the company. 
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Replying to: carguyay (Nov 19, 2008 8:55 pm) BTW, I would be amazed if Genesis prices do not start to fall, just as all other luxury car prices are falling. It is a good car, but it is still a Hyundai.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 20, 2008 12:53 pm) right on - and apparently there are many many more just like us - betcha the profit on those 1000 cars/mo. they are selling can't even cover all those silly TV ads they are running during football games etc. Granted it is a Toyota and the economic times were much different but the Avalon was running 10 times that volume a few months after it became available in 05 with no advertising at all, and it is not nearly the screaming 'deal' that the Genesis is. You 'H' guys seem to be celebrating that Hyundai is no longer amongst the dregs of the auto industry, which it seemingly has graduated from in recent years - perhaps just perhaps Hyundai's should have loftier goals if it really wants to sell like the Genesis to those badge and quality oriented folks that they seem to think would be interested. Being 'average' is nothing to brag on.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Nov 20, 2008 12:53 pm) The VWs of today are very different from those of, say, 30 years ago. VWs in the late '70s were known for low price, cheap interiors, poor rust resistance and many quality problems. The one bright spot was acceleration--the Rabbit was a bit quicker than most of its direct competitors. Today, VW is known as a sort of Euro-chic brand with a distinctive personality, and people routinely pay more for VWs than for comparably sized and equipped Hondas, Toyotas, or Nissans. Twenty years ago, Hyundai was building very disposable cars. The Excel was dreadful, and the first Sonatas were equally so. The Scoupe (remember?) was cute, but poorly executed. Even ten years ago, not many buyers took the Accent or the first Elantra all that seriously. But now the mainstream motoring press regards the Elantra and Sonata as fully competitive with Toyota, Honda, and Nissan--arguably superior in some areas. Even the Accent is a quality car for the money. It's just an image problem--but when you're buying a luxury car, image is very important, arguably more important than reality. With intelligent marketing, it won't be long before Hyundai is taken as seriously in the Azera and Genesis price ranges as it is in the compact and midsize market. But I suspect the marketing is the weak spot.
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Replying to: captain2 (Nov 20, 2008 8:00 am) Several manufacturer lineups include a $30K or larger spread. Chevy does (Aveo to Corvette/Suburban), Toyota goes from Corolla to Land Cruiser (actually a $50K spread), etc. I doubt you'll find many people who dis the 'vette because the same dealer sells Aveos and Cobalts.
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