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A dog and a cat who just got married riding on the back of a flying pig.  That's only slightly more common than Rocky drooling over a Hyundai.  Anyway, the Genesis is set to be the second coming of the LS400. Big, luxurious, powerful, and light on the wallet. The BH (the platform code) is already the size of a BMW 7-series, and there's an even larger version (VI) in the works.
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 06, 2007 8:13 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Apr 07, 2007 4:12 am) Yes bumpy, I am drooling over this Hyuyndai. The Veracruz looks to be about as nice. It's a poor mans Lexus, and if I wasn't so prejudice about buying a foreign car I would line up for one (Genesis) in the near future. Anyway, the Genesis is set to be the second coming of the LS400. Big, luxurious, powerful, and light on the wallet. The BH (the platform code) is already the size of a BMW 7-series, and there's an even larger version (VI) in the works. It's going to kick the snot out of all luxury cars in my estimation. I did not know the platform could stretch to those siszes. I still think Hyundai, should offer the Delphi Magneride suspension as a option on the "Limited-Ultimate" Rocky
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 07, 2007 4:54 am) Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 07, 2007 1:31 am) Let's say, Sonata is 5%~10% cheaper than Camry. Let Genesis be 5%~10% cheaper than the V8 RWD Toyota (LS460), subtract another 10% for not using an up-market brand name. That will still be at least $50,000 for the starting MSRP. |
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Replying to: killerbunny (Apr 07, 2007 5:46 am) The "Ultimate" Genesis is only expected to be in the upper $30K range if it's even that high. The 2008' Veracruz Limited-Ultimate package is the highest priced Hyundai, ever with a $37 and change MSRP. I don't expect the Genesis, Ultimate to be much if any more than that. So $50K isn't going to happen unless they make a 7-series/S-Class competitor which as bumpy said could happen someday soon. Rocky
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 07, 2007 6:04 am) After double checking, Hyundai is not a company owned by God himself. They cannot create a super luxury car out of thin air. The Sonata, being a 5% better value than the Camry, is already an achievement. The Genesis will be the same, 5% better value than a car of same quality. After all, being a 5% better value is all you need to capture a market. That's how Lexus beats the crap out the MB in North America.
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Replying to: killerbunny (Apr 07, 2007 6:22 am) I don't know how you can justify saying that Hyundai, won't have a very competitive offering ? One of their targets was the BMW 5 series in handling. I'm not saying this thing will carve up roads like a Bimmer, but in should be able to equal what the Infinti M45 is able to do which also had the 5-series as a target. You also are forgetting the difference in labor rates. The South Koreans, aren't exactly making are wages levels thus they are able to keep those costs down helping them undercut the competition. They are essentially not going to make the margin of profit on having a luxury brand name but they will still make a good profit and give the customer one hell of a vehicle for his buck. I checked out the Sonata vs. Camry and it appears you are taking a loaded out Sonata and comparing it to a base Camry  A loaded out Camry can touch well into the $30K range something a Sonata, won't even come close to. Rocky |
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Hyundai is merely doing what Lexus did 20 some years ago: offer a luxury car to battle the entrenched and over-priced marques at a budget price. Hyundai is selling 90% of its Azera's in the Limited and Ultimate package option which puts that at about $30k.. so this things could just fly and fly off the floors fast. Naysayers are claiming 'noone is going to buy a luxury Hyundai' because it doesn't have the prestige factor. AND LEXUS HAD PRESTIGE WHEN IT ARRIVED." DID IN THE 80'S? No, it didn't. Lexus invented and marketed themselves and the segment was redefined. Remember the Lexus add that changed it all. "From Question Mark to Benchmark" Look, the market is totally ready for a newcomer to shake things up. Hyundai is the Cinderella story of the automotive world and we know people love those stories. Check out what the Washington Post said: "It is a threat to anyone making cars, economy or luxury." "It(Hyundai)can topple General Motors. It can upset Toyota. It already has bypassed Nissan and Honda in global vehicle sales. It is as determined as any company to rank No. 1 on the world's automotive stage." "Consider the matter of engineering. The Veracruz comes with an easy-breathing, 260-horsepower, 3.8-liter V-6. It uses regular unleaded fuel. The engine is linked to a remarkably smooth six-speed automatic transmission. The comparable RX350 comes with a 3.5-liter, 270-horsepower V-6 that requires premium unleaded fuel. That engine is linked to a five-speed automatic transmission. Put another way, the Veracruz is less expensive to operate than the RX350. But it's every bit as much fun to drive." "the 2007 Hyundai Veracruz Limited crossover utility vehicle, which easily runs against the likes of the excellent Lexus RX350 -- for thousands of dollars less." "In design and creature comforts, the Veracruz -- especially the fully loaded Limited edition -- is an undisputed winner. It has a longer, more elegantly sculpted body than the RX350. Inside and out, it simply looks better. Inside, it also feels better -- more spacious, less cramped than the RX350." Mark my words: Hyundai is going to shake things up BIG-TIME!
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Replying to: rockylee (Apr 07, 2007 5:34 am) It's going to hurt them but not kick the snot out of them. To many people want the name. You could sell a Yugo to many people if it only had a BMW, Benz or Lexus badge on it. What it will do is allow people who want the luxury but can't or don't want to spend the extra $10-15K on a name. Then once they get into a Hyundai they might just stay with it and deny the others future buyers.
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