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Replying to: chiefload (Apr 10, 2007 5:20 pm)  Peter Gabriel, reveal the trick of the tale. chiefload, you may well be my new favorite member. (with apologies to those who are fans of equivalently brilliant bands & humor mongers)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Apr 10, 2007 5:37 pm) (by the way: one of my favorite 70's memories is crossing the Firth Of Forth in Scotland by train, listening deliberately to Genesis' Firth Of Fifth... at the ripe old age of 16.... Oh those were the days...) |
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Replying to: ricwhite (Apr 10, 2007 4:20 pm) |
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Replying to: floridabob1 (Apr 10, 2007 2:33 pm) No dates for production released yet but the timeline (from the above post) will give us an approx. time period. This car is production ready and coming next year. |
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Replying to: chiefload (Apr 10, 2007 4:50 pm) Maybe there should be a Genesis luxury brand, and Kia could become the name for both the Hyundai and Kia brands and all their cars. Would that work, I don't know much about the cheap cars both brands make. I'm guessing not, since Kia probably makes similar cars to Hyundai just slightly cheaper. In addition to midsize M, Genesis luxury cars could include S small sedan to compete primarily with the great new G35 (Genesis/Hyundai and everyone else needs to look at the new G35 dashboard center console to learn about ergonomics and elegant design), L large sedan competing with S550/LS600hL/760iL, G coupe, C convertible competing with C70/335Ci, X for a more lux version of veracruz crossover SUV competing with RX350/MDX/SRX, and possibly R very small IS/A4 type sedan, F small coupe, B roadster competing with Z4/CLK, V or Y for offroading SUV or Portico minivan/SUV, etc. Anything short of creating a separate luxury brand probably wouldn't work, luxury buyers have an ego, all over the world, they demand a pure luxury brand. That's partly why Acura with their cheap front wheel drive cars doesn't do so well in sales or with auto reviewers or with brand prestige, and the RL bombed. Genesis luxury cars should stay away from FWD like the widely hated ES350 and TL or RSX, and concentrate on RWD and I would suggest AWD available across the entire line like Audi (or Infiniti?) to distinguish themselves as the Asian Audi only with better quality like the Korean Lexus and unbeatable value. The best thing would be to create a separate luxury Genesis brand, it worked for Toyota/Lexus, and Hyundai is trying to copy and beat Toyota/Lexus in everything it does. There's a huge difference between Lexus dealerships which supposedly pamper and have the best customer service in the industry and Toyota dealerships which just try to sell high volume and can be pushy. Hyundai is the furthest thing on earth from a luxury brand and Hyundai luxury cars will never be accepted or sell, isn't that obvious? I'm frankly stunned that Hyundai is considering let alone planning on selling such a world class luxury car to compete with Lexus' top of the line LS460 as a Hyundai. That would be a disaster talked about in business schools for decades. Are they crazy, do they know nothing about luxury customers? Genesis/Hyundai/Kia should be like Lexus/Toyota/Scion or Lincoln/Mercury/Ford. Except maybe change the Hyundai name to something completely original and cool sounding, any ideas? |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 10, 2007 5:02 pm) If Hyundai follows snakeweasel's idea to name their luxury division Genesis, not only they can use each book of the Bibiel, but they could also use people's name too! Like Delilah for instance! Absalom, Nebuchadnezzar, and so on. The possibilities are endless!!! 
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Replying to: nycdc911 (Apr 10, 2007 8:00 pm) If they still decide to call this a Hyundai Genesis, where do they go from there with a future luxury division? With a 4.6L V8 and 197 inches long, it's the exact length and engine size as new Lexus flagship LS460, supposedly interior room will be even bigger. LS460 has 380 hp and costs $60,000+. So would Hyundai's first luxury division car have a 400-500 hp engine and cost $50,000? That should be the top of the line Genesis luxury line model fighting the 7 series, S class, and LS L. Some people say Hyundai should test the waters with a Hyundai Veracruz and Genesis then come out with a luxury division with the second generation of those models. But why would luxury buyers who already turn their noses up at Hyundai or even Acura want to buy a rebadged second generation Hyundai? I don't think Hyundai can start a luxury brand with a car that's worse than a top of the line Hyundai, wouldn't make sense. And this car is so good the only way to top it is with a car too expensive for their target market to buy. I'm planning on buying a loaded 08 Infiniti G35x in about a year for MSRP $41,000 negotiated to $38,000. If Hyundai decides to start a luxury brand I'd consider a loaded AWD V8 Genesis M sedan just for the value and to be one of the first to get in on the brand even though I don't need a car that big. However there's no way I'm moving from my old Lexus ES300 to a Hyundai Genesis no matter how good it is or what kind of bang for the buck it has. Shallow? Maybe, but that's just the way luxury car buyers are, even at the entry level. Do you think even one BMW 3 series buyer would consider any Hyundai? Hyundai is no Infiniti let alone BMW or Lexus, and it never will be and shouldn't try to be. They'll sell less than half as many cars if they call this a Hyundai instead of starting a Genesis luxury brand.
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Replying to: nycdc911 (Apr 10, 2007 8:00 pm) To start a new luxury brand Hyundai needs 2 more models to go along with the Genesis, which can be easily accomplished by Hyundai today. Here's the initial lineup I have in mind for it: Entry level sedan: RWD, V6, around 280HP, about the size of a 3-series, sharing platform with Genesis. Starting MSRP: $25K Mid size sedan: The Genesis. Starting MSRP: $34K Mid size SUV: Take Veracruz out of Hyundai, load it up and plug it in here. Starting MSRP: $30K As one can see, 2 of the 3 models are already in place and the only work to be done here is to design the sheetmetal, interior and modify Genesis' platform for its baby brother. Genesis luxury cars should stay away from FWD like the widely hated ES350 and TL or RSX, Agree that the Hyundai luxury division should be all RWD but neither the ES350 and TL are "widely hated" like you stated. As matter of fact, both of them are the best sellers for Lexus and Acura. Asian Audi I think Acura is trying to become the Asian Audi by implementing SH-AWD to all models in its lineup.
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Replying to: louiswei (Apr 11, 2007 4:07 am) I didn't mean the ES350, TL, and RSX don't sell, but auto journalists hate FWD and a lot of luxury purists think they cheapen the brand as a fancy Camry or Accord. RWD cars with AWD options on every car should satisfy everyone, and get the positive reviews that would be critical for the success of the new Genesis luxury brand. |
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Some think Hyundai, couldn't emerge into a major player in the luxury field. I still see Kia, becoming a Toyota, like brand but with kia prices and Hyundai, becoming a Lexus like brand with well Hyundai, like prices. I think it's a waste of money to spend the extra money for a emblem when I'd rather have the better product for less. Hyundai, will find lots of buyers for it's cars as I still think their is huge market for people looking for a Lexus, but can't afford or don't want to spend there hard earned cash just to have a emblem. Hyundai, IMHO could be the biggest automobile company in the world by 2025, if not a lot sooner IF they can maintain this trend.  Rocky |
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