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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [eldaino] by geeteeeye
Jun 11, 2007 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: eldaino (Jun 11, 2007 6:53 am)

Look on page 34 of booklet 3 of your owner's manual. It states:
 
"Do not use any fuel with an octane rating lower than 87 AKI or 91 RON. Using lower octane fuel may cause expensive engine damage may occur."
 
Perhaps you are confusing the RON with AKI? RON is a European unit. In the USA we use AKI which is synonymous with [(R+M)/2].
 
Yes, a higher octane fuel will result in better performance of your GTI. But don't confuse performance with engine damage.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [geeteeeye] by eldaino
Jun 12, 2007 (6:56 am)
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Replying to: geeteeeye (Jun 11, 2007 9:24 am)

ahhh..ok man thanks!
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [geeteeeye] by eneko
Jun 12, 2007 (11:21 pm)
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Replying to: geeteeeye (Jun 08, 2007 3:52 am)

I am sorry to disagree, but octane it is not an additive in fuel. Octane is a component of the gasoline, actually octanes are hydrocarbons, not something that you add to fuel. The octane rate is an index to indicate the proportion of different octanes in the fuel. Some of the octanes are less "stable" under pressure and they combust prematurely. Higher octane rate means better performance because the fuel will burn at the right moment and completely.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [eneko] by eldaino
Jun 13, 2007 (5:10 am)
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Replying to: eneko (Jun 12, 2007 11:21 pm)

this is what i thought it was.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [eneko] by geeteeeye
Jun 13, 2007 (11:07 am)
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Replying to: eneko (Jun 12, 2007 11:21 pm)

You're way off. The only thing you got right is that octane is a hydrocarbon. Don't think of gasoline as a pure substance. It is a blend of many hydrocarbons that are produced through many different processes in an oil refinery plus other synthesized flammable chemicals that are partly petroleum based. The straight, pure, hydrocarbon component of gasoline that you're referring to is usually less than 50% (of which iso-octane is only one example of).
 
Iso-octane (and other anti-knock chemicals) is considered an additive because it is added such that a specific "octane rating" is acheived, unlike the base blend of gasoline in which the specific blend of hydrocarbons is not as crucial.
 
The octane rating of gasoline doesn't mean that the only anti-knock component is iso-octane, just that it has the same anti-knock characteristics of a reference blend of, say, 87% iso-octane and 13% heptane (to refer to an "87 octane" gasoline). This is what you were getting at when you said the octane rate was a reference to the proportion of different octanes in the fuel (but this is incorrect).
 
Also, all gasolines in a high performance engine will "burn at the right moment." But a fuel with the proper octane rating for the engine means that it will combust when the cylinder is at its highest pressure. That's where you get your engine performance. Lower octane-rating gasolines will work fine, because the engine's computer will alter the timing so that it prevents any knocking.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [600kgolfgt] by vvk
Jun 14, 2007 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: 600kgolfgt (Jun 08, 2007 6:05 pm)

Every car I have owned got 1-2 mpg better mileage on regular vs. premium.
 
I still use premium because a) my BMW requires premium and b) my SAAB engine runs a lot smoother and quieter on premium.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [geeteeeye] by 600kgolfgt
Jun 17, 2007 (5:38 am)
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Replying to: geeteeeye (Jun 13, 2007 11:07 am)

Just saw this little blurb on Consumer Guide's evaluation of the Passat:
 
"VW requires premium-grade fuel for the 2.0T and recommends it for the V6."
 
F.Y.I.
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [600kgolfgt] by geeteeeye
Jun 18, 2007 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: 600kgolfgt (Jun 17, 2007 5:38 am)

Hop on over to the GTI section of Consumer Guide and it says:
 
"Test GTIs averaged 16.8-19.1 mpg with manual transmission, 23.6 with SMT, both in slightly more highway travel vs. city driving. VW recommends premium-grade fuel."
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [geeteeeye] by fasterthanyou
Jun 18, 2007 (5:40 pm)
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Replying to: geeteeeye (Jun 18, 2007 2:34 pm)

Test GTIs averaged 16.8-19.1 mpg with manual transmission, 23.6 with SMT, both in slightly more highway travel vs. city driving. VW recommends premium-grade fuel."
 
That is a complete aberration. I drive my GTI hard at 4-5000 rpm every day. I get 25-26 mpg with manual transmission mixed city and highway. EPA figures are 32 highway and 24 city. The FSI technology used in the GTI makes for the most fuel efficient engines in present time. It is the most fuel efficient car in its segment
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Re: 2007 GTI - Fuel Requirements [fasterthanyou] by eldaino
Jun 20, 2007 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: fasterthanyou (Jun 18, 2007 5:40 pm)

it is one of the more fuel efficient cars in its class, but driving that hard sounds a little hopeful for your mpg.
 
just because your numbers and their numbers are slightly off doesn't mean its an 'aberration'. its not a diesel you know.

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