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Re: But we still are a problem... [steve_] by xrunner2
Jul 10, 2008 (10:53 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2008 8:05 am)

If gas does double in price, maybe that will make more public transportation options feasible just from the economics - the last thing I need when I get to Chicago is a car
 
Disregard if done already. For a 2-3 hour view, afternoon or evening, of the most spectacular skyline in the world, try Odyssey cruise boat (at Navy Pier) on Lake Michigan. Cruise has dinner/drinks option.
 
Read somewhere that some personal boats in $200-$300K price range only get one mile to the gallon of fuel. But, people in this bracket could probably care less about the price of fuel.
 
A few months ago, read that Illinois Governor made provision for those of senior age (65+) to ride free on Chicago buses, EL trains subway. Pretty good deal for them.
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Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by fezo
Jul 10, 2008 (11:03 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am)

Oh, that boat sounds like a great deal. Chicago is a great city and just beautiful from the lake.
 
All I have to do is convince the family that would be a good vacation...
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Re: But we still are a problem... [lemko] by steve_ HOST
Jul 10, 2008 (11:04 am)

Replying to: lemko (Jul 10, 2008 9:20 am)

Greyhound acquired Continental Trailways in '87 but the other ~80 Trailways franchises are still around. They seem to focus on charters and local hauls. You can't even get a "Trailways" schedule from their web site.
 
The Green Tortoise is still going strong I guess.
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Re: But we still are a problem... [dave8697] by circlew
Jul 10, 2008 (11:12 am)

Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 09, 2008 7:37 am)

Yes, thanks. I watch it every night. I saw that piece. I know the answer is complex but soon China will need to lessen Gov't subsidies which will help on the demand as will further changes to the old infrastructure that uses fossil fuel...we just won't be around to witness the entire process!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Payback Calculator [oregonboy] by circlew
Jul 10, 2008 (11:15 am)

Replying to: oregonboy (Jul 09, 2008 11:22 pm)

I can't even remember $3.75 gas! My refrigerator is almost barren now! How come I can't loose any weight yet...soon!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by snakeweasel
Jul 10, 2008 (2:31 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am)

Disregard if done already. For a 2-3 hour view, afternoon or evening, of the most spectacular skyline in the world, try Odyssey cruise boat (at Navy Pier) on Lake Michigan. Cruise has dinner/drinks option.
 
If your in that area take a trip and get some food at Billys Goats, its right near where the boats dock.
 
A few months ago, read that Illinois Governor made provision for those of senior age (65+) to ride free on Chicago buses, EL trains subway. Pretty good deal for them.
 
He got pretty well critizied for that. Not to many people thought that was a good ideal since there wasn't enough money to run the system with seniors paying. People down state were really PO'd at him since they will be paying tax money for people 250 miles away to ride around free.
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Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by dave8697
Jul 10, 2008 (3:00 pm)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 5:55 am)

the airlines are in trouble. the world oil consumption has risen 12 million barrels a day in the last 7 years, Since 9-11. Speculators are primarily to blame for most of the run up beyond $80. The consumption will rise by 28 million barrels a day in the next 24 years. Meanwhile US imports have fallen from 10 to 9 million barrels a day in the last year. So for every American trading the V8 for a V6 or the V6 for an L4, Four people climb high enough up the economic ladder of success in places like China that they go buy the first car their family has ever had, and 4 Chinese Entreprenaurs head for the Mercedes Dealer in their L4 car. These are turbulent economic times. Americans have been stupid with their money with real estate and are now suffering. Will OPEC sellers buy stuff on margin with their profits and when the bubble bursts have to sell and get foreclosed? I bet they are not as dumb as we were with our American home equity bubble of money. I bet they are paying with cash.
 
I see the reciepts left at gas stations. People are buying 5 or 6 gallons per visit. The media is underplaying the real drop in use in this country. If OPEC already owns the media, that would explain it. I know a Saudi Shiek owns 33% of FOX.
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Gas & the price that is paid by darken812
Jul 10, 2008 (3:28 pm)
First off, I want to say that we were told years ago that crude oil would be gone by 2009, I guess they weren't wrong.
So what to do, when you want to remain independent & not wait an hour or two for a bus?
Don't go to drastic measures, they only work if you keep applying them. Use your head. Time is money, & will always be so.
Speed limits under 60 are fine, if you have all day to get there. There are many ways not to use your vehicle. I've seen few people offer insight on using it (other than packing it with other people).
I recently bought a better air filter, & as soon as I get passed the 5,000 mile mark, will change my oils to something more driver/world friendly. No, I'm not going to be able to "bank" the savings, but I will continue on with my life, as I choose, & be smart about it.
 
Next, buy the grade of gas your vehicle needs. Don't buy cheapest amount. I gain 2 mpg buying mid grade for my Kia, over economy. I've been doing this for years. Soon, gas blends won't matter, but they still do, use it.
I learned this years ago in my Spitfire, which wanted 108 octane minimum, in a, at best 98 octane country. My motorcycle could only use premium gas, yet my friend's minivan wasted mid grade. My Lebaron pissed through economy & super, but loved mid grade.
The bottom line is to keep your vehicle in tune. Retard your distributor if you can or are using a lessor product. You can run on alcohol, but you have to time the engine for it.
Finally; Gas with MTBE's (white gas) even state that you'll have 5% less economy. So figure out what you're using. Picture it like this. You want a steak dinner, & they bring you a cold hamburger. It's still beef, but not what you wanted.
Additional note: Your dealership will & can install performance & gas saving devices for you w/o voiding your warranty! The resale value will increase as well. That's what I'm doing, but I'm doing it for me, not the resale value.
 
One more word, as a note. Can your key turn on your vehicle on the first touch?
No windey windey, no thumpa thumpa. I don't want to hear that it's "inhearent in these motors". That's bull! You turn the key, it starts. If not, you're not tuned.
The moment we have fire, we have explosion (running in the case of engines). If your key goes past accessories, it should be running. If it's not, you aren't tuned.
Don't rely on my words, post & ask anyone else. I don't care if you're running a lawn mower.
 
I hope this helps.
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Are we a problem? by newdavidq
Jul 10, 2008 (4:21 pm)
I keep hearing the phrase "We use 25% of the world's oil but are only 5% of the world's population"., but few mention that we produce about 25% of the world's Gross Domestic Product (GDP). China and India together account for about a third of our output. I think its fair to say that we have been and are a greater force for good in the world than those two countries. So, what's wrong with our driving a few more cars and burning a few more gallons of gasoline while we still can?
Public transportation is only viable in urban situations; the country is too large. The car is here to stay and we must concentrate on doing everything possible to economize in this area. I've added 5 lbs pressure to my tires, accelerate slowly, anticipate stops etc and have added about 4-5 mpg to my truck's mileage (which I need for work.)
And incidentally, the river cruise in Chicago is a great way to spend some time. You can also rent kayaks (and Segways and bikes if you want to stay on shore).
DQ
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Re: But we still are a problem... [snakeweasel] by xrunner2
Jul 10, 2008 (4:31 pm)

Replying to: snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2008 2:31 pm)

If your in that area take a trip and get some food at Billys Goats, its right near where the boats dock.
 
Is that the place of, "Cheeburger, Cheeburger, Cheeburger, Pepsi-no Coke"?

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