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#9987 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by steve_ HOST Jul 10, 2008 (8:05 am)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 7:48 am) Most of the buses we rode were clean and newer. There are some second class buses with the odd chicken. But there are so many buses on the roads, you literally can wander into most any small town bus station and be on your way within an hour or so. Several times we'd walk in and be on a bus within 5 minutes.   Schedules are posted all over so it's easy to plan if you don't have much flexibility. A few times we just did a flag stop and got on a bus that way.   It wasn't much different in Italy last year when we went over for a week or so - took a train for a couple of hours, then bused around until it was time to train back to the airport.   We're meeting friends in Chicago in a few weeks and they get to take the train - we're stuck with flying (not enough time to drive). I keep waiting for Northwest to call and say our flight has been cancelled.   If gas does double in price, maybe that will make more public transportation options feasible just from the economics - the last thing I need when I get to Chicago is a car (already got a transist pass in the mail) Replies to this message: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am) fezo (Jul 10, 2008 11:03 am) snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2008 2:31 pm) xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 4:31 pm) and 1 more...
#9988 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [steve_] by lemko Jul 10, 2008 (9:20 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2008 6:57 am) Trailways is gone? I remember when I was a kid in the early 1970s I used to take a lot of bus trips with my Mom on Continental Trailways in very classy buses called the Silver Eagle or the Golden Eagle. The buses were red and white with gleaming stainless steel sides. Heck, even the driver was smartly dressed. He looked more like an airline pilot than a bus driver.   There are a lot of smaller regional bus companies, but I bet they're now being decimated by psychopathic pump prices. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 10, 2008 11:04 am)
#9989 of 10042 Re: Trade in the 05 Silverado for an 08 ? [nippononly] by 2doorpost Jul 10, 2008 (9:56 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jul 09, 2008 7:03 am) I would have thought the product would have at least remained consistant
#9990 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [steve_] by xrunner2 Jul 10, 2008 (10:53 am)
Replying to: steve_ (Jul 10, 2008 8:05 am) If gas does double in price, maybe that will make more public transportation options feasible just from the economics - the last thing I need when I get to Chicago is a car   Disregard if done already. For a 2-3 hour view, afternoon or evening, of the most spectacular skyline in the world, try Odyssey cruise boat (at Navy Pier) on Lake Michigan. Cruise has dinner/drinks option.   Read somewhere that some personal boats in $200-$300K price range only get one mile to the gallon of fuel. But, people in this bracket could probably care less about the price of fuel.   A few months ago, read that Illinois Governor made provision for those of senior age (65+) to ride free on Chicago buses, EL trains subway. Pretty good deal for them. Replies to this message: fezo (Jul 10, 2008 11:03 am) snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2008 2:31 pm) xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 4:31 pm) snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2008 5:59 pm)
#9991 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by fezo Jul 10, 2008 (11:03 am)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am) Oh, that boat sounds like a great deal. Chicago is a great city and just beautiful from the lake.   All I have to do is convince the family that would be a good vacation...
#9992 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [lemko] by steve_ HOST Jul 10, 2008 (11:04 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jul 10, 2008 9:20 am) Greyhound acquired Continental Trailways in '87 but the other ~80 Trailways franchises are still around. They seem to focus on charters and local hauls. You can't even get a "Trailways" schedule from their web site.   The Green Tortoise is still going strong I guess.
#9993 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [dave8697] by circlew Jul 10, 2008 (11:12 am)
Replying to: dave8697 (Jul 09, 2008 7:37 am) Yes, thanks. I watch it every night. I saw that piece. I know the answer is complex but soon China will need to lessen Gov't subsidies which will help on the demand as will further changes to the old infrastructure that uses fossil fuel...we just won't be around to witness the entire process!   Regards, OW
#9994 of 10042 Re: Payback Calculator [oregonboy] by circlew Jul 10, 2008 (11:15 am)
Replying to: oregonboy (Jul 09, 2008 11:22 pm) I can't even remember $3.75 gas! My refrigerator is almost barren now! How come I can't loose any weight yet...soon!   Regards, OW
#9995 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by snakeweasel Jul 10, 2008 (2:31 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 10:53 am) Disregard if done already. For a 2-3 hour view, afternoon or evening, of the most spectacular skyline in the world, try Odyssey cruise boat (at Navy Pier) on Lake Michigan. Cruise has dinner/drinks option.   If your in that area take a trip and get some food at Billys Goats, its right near where the boats dock.   A few months ago, read that Illinois Governor made provision for those of senior age (65+) to ride free on Chicago buses, EL trains subway. Pretty good deal for them.   He got pretty well critizied for that. Not to many people thought that was a good ideal since there wasn't enough money to run the system with seniors paying. People down state were really PO'd at him since they will be paying tax money for people 250 miles away to ride around free. Replies to this message: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 4:31 pm) snakeweasel (Jul 10, 2008 5:59 pm)
#9996 of 10042 Re: But we still are a problem... [xrunner2] by dave8697 Jul 10, 2008 (3:00 pm)
Replying to: xrunner2 (Jul 10, 2008 5:55 am) the airlines are in trouble. the world oil consumption has risen 12 million barrels a day in the last 7 years, Since 9-11. Speculators are primarily to blame for most of the run up beyond $80. The consumption will rise by 28 million barrels a day in the next 24 years. Meanwhile US imports have fallen from 10 to 9 million barrels a day in the last year. So for every American trading the V8 for a V6 or the V6 for an L4, Four people climb high enough up the economic ladder of success in places like China that they go buy the first car their family has ever had, and 4 Chinese Entreprenaurs head for the Mercedes Dealer in their L4 car. These are turbulent economic times. Americans have been stupid with their money with real estate and are now suffering. Will OPEC sellers buy stuff on margin with their profits and when the bubble bursts have to sell and get foreclosed? I bet they are not as dumb as we were with our American home equity bubble of money. I bet they are paying with cash.   I see the reciepts left at gas stations. People are buying 5 or 6 gallons per visit. The media is underplaying the real drop in use in this country. If OPEC already owns the media, that would explain it. I know a Saudi Shiek owns 33% of FOX.

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