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Re: a blast from the past [larsb] by explorerx4
Apr 11, 2007 (4:16 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Apr 11, 2007 12:22 pm)

same time period for my focus zts, approximately 19000 miles, 630 gallons. except for one 250 mile round trip to boston(used 1/2 a tank), all local commuting miles.
i do have another vehicle i use for long trips with 4-5 people.
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Re: I think that what gagrice is saying.... [rorr] by li_sailor
Apr 11, 2007 (4:47 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Apr 11, 2007 11:38 am)

I think that what gagrice is saying...is that the time to buy an item...is NOT when the demand for that item is high.
 
Right, I understand his point now. But the obvious fallacy of this being the "right time" economically is when the demand is high.....because the running costs are low. Buying a less-in-demand vehicle with higher running costs is hardly a no-brainer. One must weigh the higher "premium" against the lower running costs. If a vehicle saves $20,000 in running costs over 8 years then a "premium" of $2000 sounds like a bargain.
 
Those numbers are not unreasonable.
 
Averaging 12k/year over 8 years is 96k miles. So.....
 
$3/gal
10 mpg: gas cost=$28,800
30 mpg: $ 9,600
 
savings: $19,200
 
but....
 
$4/gal
10 mpg: gas cost=$38,400
30 mpg: $12,800
 
savings: $25,600
 
Now, ya gotta do present/future value and all that, but that doesn't change the result too much.
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Re: I think that what gagrice is saying.... [li_sailor] by explorerx4
Apr 11, 2007 (4:59 pm)

Replying to: li_sailor (Apr 11, 2007 4:47 pm)

anyone who drives a 10 mpg vehicle who can transparently change to another with a 30 mpg vehicle is stupid, if gas mileage is the most important factor. as opposed to amenities.
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Re: I think that what gagrice is saying.... [explorerx4] by li_sailor
Apr 11, 2007 (5:13 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Apr 11, 2007 4:59 pm)

Don't get me started
 
IMO there are plenty of folks that drive 10 mpg vehicles that have no vehicular requirements that a 30 mpg vehicle would meet.
 
Non-vehicular requirements are another matter. I'll stop there :=)
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Re: $61.74 Barrel [rorr] by altest
Apr 11, 2007 (5:17 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Apr 10, 2007 2:42 pm)

Interesting that gas is more expensive in Canada. Does Canada not export gas to the US?
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Re: $61.74 Barrel [rorr] by altest
Apr 11, 2007 (5:18 pm)

Replying to: rorr (Apr 10, 2007 2:42 pm)

Does the website also show diesel price? Ethanol price?
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Re: I think that what gagrice is saying.... [li_sailor] by explorerx4
Apr 11, 2007 (5:24 pm)

Replying to: li_sailor (Apr 11, 2007 5:13 pm)

i just throwing out some bait, obviously. no bites.
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Hybrids Make Such Good Cents$$] by railroadjames
Apr 11, 2007 (5:39 pm)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Apr 11, 2007 4:59 pm)

I'm closing in on 57K and 3 1/2 yrs of driving the most practical car of our times. Gas prices have eased occasionaly but as of late they're on the rise at over 3 bucks a gal. Since I've been averaging well over 17K a yr. I have to say the '04 Prius has saved me in excess of $17,000 and with no problems. In six more months I'll have saved well over 21 grand. That's more than the cost of the car brand new. But if you want a V8 SUV there's plenty out there getting 8-10 mpgs and they're going dirt cheap.
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Re: Hybrids Make Such Good Cents$$] [railroadjames] by gagrice
Apr 11, 2007 (5:45 pm)

Replying to: railroadjames (Apr 11, 2007 5:39 pm)

You are going to have to explain how going to another car from whatever you were driving saved $17,000 in 3.5 years. Did you just trade your previous car straight across for this gas sipper you are now driving?
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Re: Hybrids Make Such Good Cents$$] [railroadjames] [gagrice] by explorerx4
Apr 11, 2007 (6:03 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 11, 2007 5:45 pm)

my sister bought a prius and said basically the same thing. trading in her 3 year old caravan. she said her husband(my bil) had a spreadsheet that backed it up. i said 'send it to me and i will find the mistake'. i never got it.
prius is a fuel efficient vehicle, but there are a lot of variables.

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