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Replying to: texases (Jun 12, 2008 8:37 am) The Honda Civic Hybrid costs $3,000 more than the regular Civic EX. But the chart shows a $3,600 difference on top of the tax credit. You guys can check the msrp on each car for yourselves. After I bought my Civic Hybrid last year for $22,000 plus TT&L, I got a $2,100 check from the IRS. That takes the payback down to about 2 years ..... even less if you drive more than 15,000 miles per year like I do. Those tax credits are smaller this year (or gone, in the case of the Prius), but they still count for something. BTW, I love that 99 year payback on the Lexus LS600H!
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| I drive more like 8,400 miles a year. It would take me much longer to reach the break-even point. At least my two choices - the Malibu and Civic hybrid show a tax credit. | |
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why there's such a large disparity in payback periods with the Malibu hybrid, versus the Aura? Ditto the Yukon and Tahoe hybrids. As for my driving, I'm down to maybe 5,000 per year these days so from a purely economic standpoint, I guess none of the hybrids would ever make sense for me. Unless they start getting to the point that the technology just doesn't boost the price of the car very much. |
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| ...were equal to a pure ICE car, I'd definately get one as long as performance was comparable or better. Like all technologies, hybrid technology will become more affordable until it is the de facto standard or obsolete. | |
...to get the Lexus LS460h. I heard it only gets something like 20 MPG HWY. Geeze, my non-hybrid Cadillac DTS Performance gets 24 MPG HWY. My old Park Avenue will do 29 MPG HWY. Shoot, if the hybrid Lexus is that bad. How lousy is the regular car?
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Jun 12, 2008 6:22 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 12, 2008 10:04 am) No one who buys that car gives a darn about payback. Just like they don't give a darn about payback for their second and third vacation homes, or their 60' yacht, or their villa in the South of France. It's the biggest, baddest, most expensive Lexus. About 1/2 the buyers probably buy it merely for THAT reason alone. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 12, 2008 10:04 am) Also, these are the new, down-rated numbers...the same ones that would sink your DTS to 15/22, or your Park Ave to 17/26. That 20/22 probably equated to around 22/24 under the old ratings, while the 16/24 was probably more like 18/27. Still, that's an awful lot of money for a car! |
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Replying to: lemko (Jun 12, 2008 10:04 am) As far as I know the S-class (S400) hybrid diesel is still on the books for 2010 or so...but it will actually produce some mileage. |
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I saw a car today, a gas hog type that people buy to show others that they've arrived... with the license plate "I see you seen me" spelled out phonetically. I guess that makes them feel even better about themselves. Too bad they're wasting so much fuel. No, it wasn't a hybrid. |
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