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Re: Biking is dangerous [aspesisteve] by larsb
Jun 03, 2008 (2:10 pm)

Replying to: aspesisteve (Jun 03, 2008 2:04 pm)

aspesisteve says, "Riding isn't just healthy for the planet, it's healthy for the heart."
 
Note about that: Since my Segway broke in November and I have been riding my "electric assist" bike - I have lost 15 pounds and my blood pressure has dropped about 20 points.
 
I'm never going back to a 100% car commute if I can help it.
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Re: Biking is dangerous [aspesisteve] by explorerx4
Jun 03, 2008 (2:17 pm)

Replying to: aspesisteve (Jun 03, 2008 2:04 pm)

if you have a bike friendly place to ride, that's great.
i know plenty of people who have had major injuries on their bicycles.
when my student sister couldn't afford a car, she used her bike to get around.
one time she went over the hood of a car that pulled out perpendicular to her path.
she ended up getting her phd, so i guess no brain damage.
over the long weekend 2 guys from work were hit by an impaired driver at 7am on saturday. luckily for them there was a witness as they ended up off the road below grade and the driver took off.
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Re: gas is mostly tax [dave8697] by 1stpik
Jun 03, 2008 (2:20 pm)

Replying to: dave8697 (Jun 03, 2008 2:02 pm)

"I still remember when I couldn't afford a car and walked to two different jobs for 4 months to save for a car."
 
I never had it that tough, but I did get a part-time job in high school to pay for my old '77 Buick. Unfortunately, GM products of the 1970s being what they were, the car was forever costing me money.
 
Everything I made at the job went to keep the car running. But I only used the car to get to the job. So what was the point?
 
Unfortunately, at 18 I wasn't smart enough to ditch the car and the job at the same time, and just enjoy my youth. Thought I was being responsible, and preparing myself for adulthood, and all that .....
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Be Afraid ..... Be Very Afraid by 1stpik
Jun 03, 2008 (2:31 pm)
"thanks for spreading fear and discouraging people considering riding a bike that's a big help."
 
Hey, the truth is what it is. I don't berate my M.D. for warning me that if I have unprotected sex with various women, I might catch a disease. Likewise, if someone says that riding a bike among rush hour drivers might result in a devastating accident, I don't criticize -- especially if he backs up his claim with specific examples.
 
Bottom line: The risk of bicycle commuting is death or injury. The reward is saving $30 per week on gasoline. That's a bad ratio.
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Dain Bramage by 1stpik
Jun 03, 2008 (2:36 pm)
"she ended up getting her phd, so i guess no brain damage."
 
That depends. What was her degree in?
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Re: Be Afraid ..... Be Very Afraid [1stpik] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2008 (2:46 pm)

Replying to: 1stpik (Jun 03, 2008 2:31 pm)

The reward is saving $30 per week on gasoline. That's a bad ratio.
 
Again I agree. Most people riding their bike are not going to travel more than 5 miles each way to work. Of course there are some exceptions. There are places that have wonderful bike trails. If they are on your route to work it would be a great way to travel. That is not the average commute. Most will be on city streets at the heaviest time of the day. It just seems like an awfully high risk for such a minimal gain. Wouldn't be grand if we all rode bikes. Then it would be fun and not a hazardous means of transportation.
 
I read that statistic posted and the author was quite clear that finding stats on people killed or injured on bikes, based on the miles ridden, was not available. That would be the only statistic that could be related to car fatalities.
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Re: Dain Bramage [1stpik] by explorerx4
Jun 03, 2008 (2:53 pm)

Replying to: 1stpik (Jun 03, 2008 2:36 pm)

that's an interesting post.
give me an example of a brain dead phd you can get from northwestern.
take guess at what vehicle she drives.
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Re: For you all that thinking biking is safe.. [1stpik] by mattandi
Jun 03, 2008 (3:19 pm)

Replying to: 1stpik (Jun 03, 2008 12:05 pm)

This statement is correct. However, it leaves out the salient point
 
No, it includes the salient point that the driver's inattention (or impairment or malicious mindset or disregard for the law or .. .) presents a danger to anyone nearby regardless of whether they are on a bike in a car walking across the street or sitting on a bench at a bus stop . . .
 
Basically, when you ride a bicycle in traffic, you're saying, "I trust you with my life," to a bunch of strangers whizzing by you in 3,000 lb. chunks of steel.
 
You're saying essentially the same thing every time you drive your car as well.
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Re: For you all that thinking biking is safe.. [mattandi] by gagrice
Jun 03, 2008 (4:16 pm)

Replying to: mattandi (Jun 03, 2008 3:19 pm)

You're saying essentially the same thing every time you drive your car as well.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly. If I am in a fairly modern car I have all the crumple zones and airbags surrounding me. If I am on a bike of motorcycle I am totally unprotected except for the helmet. So I will end up a quadriplegic with my brain intact. I raced motocross for a while and will not ride a motorcycle on the street. Just too many wackos out on the highways.
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I was just sitting on my front porch by mattandi
Jun 03, 2008 (4:26 pm)
and this guy just went by on rollerskates.
 
Now, there's an idea. Maybe rollerblading will make a comeback. Skateboards will become more socially acceptable.

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