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Some of the reasons... by lemko
Jun 02, 2008 (5:11 am)
...these high fuel prices aren't hurting me too bad is that I live a pretty simple life as it is. I don't have a cell phone. I have dial-up internet access, (Mr. Slowski the turtle would be ecstatic!). I have old CRT televisions, no digital camera, and no video games. I grow my own garden, drink cheap beer, have no kids, my girlfriend is relatively low-maintenance, and I take no exotic vacations. My monthly mortgage payment is <$1K. If I wanted to trim fat - I guess I could get rid of my cable TV and my cats. If I was really nuts, I'd get rid of both Cadillacs and just drive my hoopty Park Ave. I almost feel like it because I'm at the age where I have nothing to prove. A flashy new car is more important with the young guys who are still trying to impress the ladies.
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Re: Oh, I see... [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Jun 02, 2008 (5:18 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 02, 2008 4:50 am)

The ones who are losing money are US.
 
It sure looks like it to me. The middle class usually takes the beating. I am sure the price of gas will keep many at the bottom of the ladder from driving. The fellow that works for me is taking the bus and trolley back & forth to Mexico each day. Takes him 2 hours each direction to get the 45 miles to where he leaves his car parked. Saves him about $10 in gas. You can ride the bus and trolley all day for $5.
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Re: Oh, I see... [bpizzuti] by kernick
Jun 02, 2008 (5:38 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 02, 2008 4:50 am)

In the meantime, we'll still have $4.30 gas (that's what I paid when I filled up this morning) which of COURSE has no effect on our own personal economies, right?
 
Those prices will hold as long as you're willing to pay it. When there are more people who want something then there is product, those paying the most get it.
 
On the bright-side you don't need to be wealthy to make $ to pay your entire gas bill. For the last 5 years, and YTD many energy funds are up 20% each and every year. If you didn't tie up all your funds in an overpriced house, or buy expensive cars you could have taken $20,000 and put it in a energy mutual fund. You don't need to be a future's trader to make money.
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Side Effect - Stranded Motorists by simpilot1
Jun 02, 2008 (5:59 am)
This is an article from CNN which speaks about the increase number of motorists running out of gas. Depending on where and when that can cause quite a backup and a lot of pain for the rest of us. In New York some years ago I believe there was a hefty fine for running out of gas on a bridge or in a tunnel. As distasteful as it may be if out of gas motorists becomes a large problem it may be time to issue fines on a highway as well.
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Speculators the cause by texases
Jun 02, 2008 (6:09 am)
Good article in Business Week about the potential for oil prices to drop as the speculator-driven bubble is discovered and/or pops: Oil bubble
 
Also, related article on Feds investigating trading: Feds investigate
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Re: Side Effect - Stranded Motorists [simpilot1] by kernick
Jun 02, 2008 (6:11 am)

Replying to: simpilot1 (Jun 02, 2008 5:59 am)

Interesting article - did anyone at CNN think to question why - if this large van was used to drop a large group off at the airport, then the people must have had enough money to buy airline tickets - but didn't have enough money to give $5 each for gas to get to the airport... Do you see anything wrong with this case that people are running out of $ for gas?
 
As I said before maybe people are just spending their money on other things which they are unwilling to sacrifice the luxuries that are now considered necessities (or rights).
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Re: Oh, I see... [kernick] by bpizzuti
Jun 02, 2008 (6:53 am)

Replying to: kernick (Jun 02, 2008 5:38 am)

On the bright-side you don't need to be wealthy to make $ to pay your entire gas bill. For the last 5 years, and YTD many energy funds are up 20% each and every year. If you didn't tie up all your funds in an overpriced house, or buy expensive cars you could have taken $20,000 and put it in a energy mutual fund. You don't need to be a future's trader to make money.
 
Ok, let's see, I didn't tie up all my funds in a house (I rent, and share the place) or buy an expensive car (I bought a Mazda3 4 years ago...had to, my car of the time grenaded and I didn't have cash for a used car). However, I don't have money to spare to put money into energy futures.
 
Many people are in the same situation, so it's just NOT a good idea to keep singing like just anyone could go make money off of this oil bubble.
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Re: Some of the reasons... [lemko] by jimbres
Jun 02, 2008 (6:58 am)

Replying to: lemko (Jun 02, 2008 5:11 am)

I applaud your thriftiness, but dial-up? Really? Have you shopped broadband lately? How much are you saving?
 
If I didn't have broadband, my employer wouldn't allow me to telecommute, & I'd have to go into my office 5 days per week instead of 2 or 3 days per week. Each day that I can work from home saves me enough to cover the difference between slow & fast for a month.
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Re: Some of the reasons... [jimbres] by bpizzuti
Jun 02, 2008 (7:00 am)

Replying to: jimbres (Jun 02, 2008 6:58 am)

That's a good point...in some cases switching to dial-up is penny-wise and pound-foolish. I'm in the same boat...with broadband I can telecommute both to work AND to college classes (more often the latter). That's worth an extra $15 a month, considering how much I save in gas not physically going to classes.
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Re: Some of the reasons... [bpizzuti] by kernick
Jun 02, 2008 (7:24 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 02, 2008 7:00 am)

Sure being in your 20's and even into your 30's many people have a tough time making ends meet, paying for college, and trying to save to buy into investments.
But many people do have money as evidenced by the amount of property and stock in this country. Or if you have a 401K, what are you investing it in?
 
I'm speaking to those people who have their money in money markets, bonds and relatively flat stocks, that you should be diversified into these energy funds. If you truly believe the world is short on energy, then don't invest in overpriced housing, or the Dow30, or a 2% bank fund.
 
There are always going to be people who can't afford food or fuel in the world, that is the reality. We are not going to solve that.

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