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Replying to: mickeyrom (Apr 29, 2008 3:55 am) |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Apr 29, 2008 3:00 am) One notable difference between that '92 Civic and the Fit is that their test Civic didn't have a/c, while it comes standard on a Fit. Now, I don't know how much that really matters these days, but a/c will put a drag on the engine, even when it's not turned on. Back in the day, they used to say that buying a car with a/c was like adding the weight of an adult male passenger, but they've shrunken all those components down over the years and lightened them, so it's probably not that much of a difference these days. I wonder what the overall top gear ratios are for the '92 Civic and Fit? It could just be something as simple as the Civic having a really tall overdrive gear, so while they both have aggressive enough lower gears for similar acceleration, the Civic might pull lower revs at highway speeds? |
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When people cite the "50 mpg CRX," they're referring to the CRX HF, which got 49/52 mpg. However, its engine only produced 67 horsepower -- not even comparable to the 2008 Fit's 109 horsepower. The standard CRX produced 92 horsepower, and got 32/35 mpg. The CRX Si produced 108 horsepower, and got 28/33 mpg. So, when comparing apples to apples, the 08 Fit is equal to or better than the CRX. You can see the specs for both cars here: http://allhonda.tripod.com/crxspecs.htm http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/honda/fit/100924410/specs.html . |
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Replying to: avalon02wh (Apr 29, 2008 3:00 am) IMO, to make the assumption that automakers just aren't trying to improve mileage is invalid. Today's Prius and Civic hybrid don't get much better mileage than the the '92 CRX HF. These cars are designed to maximize mpg. Why would Toyota and Honda be leaving something on the design table that could improve fuel efficiency? I believe that the reality is that a functional vehicle that could transport 4 adults needs to weigh at least 2400 lbs and without some hybrid technology a car of this size won't be getting over 40 mpg, maybe with a diesel. |
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 28, 2008 5:16 pm) ADM profits |
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Apr 29, 2008 3:55 am) I routinely get 18-19mpg in regular driving. I've taken it on highway trips and have achieved 28mpg (doing the speed limit) and have had 25.x mpg for a total trip. It's not great; but not terrible. I recently had a PT Cruiser as a rental; not great mpg either...buzzy 4 cyl for only a couple more mpg in average driving. But you may be right...at $7 a gallon it may be Jetta Blue Tech for me 
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From the Philadelphia newspaper: http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080429_Elmer_Smith__That_stimulus_- rebate_check__It_s_in_the_mail_____and_you_ll_be_eating_it.html |
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Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 1:13 pm) Oooh, an electric E30 could be a sweet ride, especially if you outfit it for performance driving. There are some E30s in here: http://www.evalbum.com/type/BMW
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A post over in Report Your Local Gas Prices Here reminded me.... I don't commute and my wife who does hasn't mentioned anything, but it seems like the pace of the 4 lane near me is a bit more relaxed. And I got stuck behind a hypermiler a couple of weeks ago but that was a Prius with Oregon plates so I'm not sure if that trend has actually hit Boise. My in-laws have been snowbirds for the last 5 or so years but just put their Florida house on the market to retire permanently to Michigan where most of their support network is. They made their last drive north last week and said it was the easiest drive they've had - traffic was lighter than the other trips. Anecdotal, but there it is. |
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 28, 2008 8:08 pm) So since R&D has nothing to do with the manufacturing costs of actually producing a hybrid vehicle or anything for that matter... How much does a total vehicle cost to produce with the added cost of R&D? Lets say for example a Prius?
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