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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [lmpracetech] by gagrice
Apr 28, 2008 (12:33 pm)

Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 12:11 pm)

I looked into converting my 99 Ranger into electric. It was about $16k for the conversion including lead acid batteries. That would include me doing the work. I have decided to keep the Ranger that only gets about 3k miles per year on it. Or buy a full sized older diesel truck with a little more power. Either option is a whole lot cheaper than EV conversion. Including the price of fuel for the rest of my life.
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [lmpracetech] by texases
Apr 28, 2008 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 12:22 pm)

Rumor has it the manufacturing cost difference for hybrids can exceed the asking price - this is serious stuff, a whole added drive train (motor/generators, battery packs, etc.) and the size/cost goes up with vehicle size, so the ~$5000 premium for the Tahoe (at equal levels of options) is well within reason. That said, the only hybrids that make economic sense are the Prius, Civic, Camry, and Escape, as far as I can tell. I challenge your statement on 'the comfort of a full sized car' - test drive a Highlander, it's as nice as any Tahoe. Not much more room in a Tahoe, either, certainly no more room than a Pilot.
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Re: $4.33... [kernick] by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (1:09 pm)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 28, 2008 12:24 pm)

I meant to say the food service industry sorry.
They will suffer because of the lack of traveling done by RVers.
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [steve_] by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (1:13 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 28, 2008 12:14 pm)

That is rad... Im going to seriously check it out, maybe get my hands on a 1980's BMW 3 series and make it my EV.
That is cool, I get pumped up about this kind of stuff.
They are in California too, I dont know where Felton is but im going to check into this for sure.
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [gagrice] by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (1:15 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 12:33 pm)

HAHA thats funny.
So not worth it huh?
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [texases] by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (1:31 pm)

Replying to: texases (Apr 28, 2008 12:37 pm)

"manufacturing cost difference for hybrids can exceed the asking price..."
I doubt this is ever the case, I would have to see the facts on that.
I don't know of any company selling products for less than what they make them for...
Asking price is retail.
This inst what the dealership pays for it.
Your trying to tell me that a vehicle retailing for $25k is costing the manufacture more than that?
They would be loosing their butts on these cars and there wouldn't be any point in producing them.
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [lmpracetech] by texases
Apr 28, 2008 (1:36 pm)

Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 1:31 pm)

"Your trying to tell me that a vehicle retailing for $25k is costing the manufacture more than that? "
 
Can happen. Ford's been said to lose money on each Focus it sells, but it has to to meet CAFE regs. And any year a company posts a loss, like the Big 3 have done lately, they're, in effect, losing money on each car they sell, on average. As to hybrids, GM has been forced by Toyota to pour lots of R&D into the Tahoe hybrid, so if you include that money, I'm sure they'll be in the hole on the hybrid effort for several years, at least. But it is great PR for them.
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [lmpracetech] by bpizzuti
Apr 28, 2008 (1:37 pm)

Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 1:31 pm)

Toyota has been manufacturing hybrids at a loss in order to refine the technology as well as the manufacturing, as well as get name recognition and market penetration. They've been selling them to dealers at a loss.
 
Though the Prius may be profitable by now. Not sure about the Camry Hybrid...maybe, since it's an add-on technology to an existing vehicle.
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Suicidal Super Power by hondamatic1
Apr 28, 2008 (1:43 pm)
Our policies which try and cater to everyone from oil company executives to environmentalists and up benefiting no one, and now were all paying the price. Weve spent decades giving billions of dollars to in government subsides with incentives for the wrong things, weve mandated that huge areas of farmland stay open for conservation and were using grains that could feed tens of millions of people to make a crappy biofuel that you cant even buy anywhere.
 
Where did i read this?
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Re: Cost of Hybrid and gas [bpizzuti] by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (1:48 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 28, 2008 1:37 pm)

Sounds pretty insane...
Its no wonder people are losing their jobs and the industry is in the dirt right now.
How is anyone going to sustain a living when they are losing money everyday?

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